New Event in Milton Keynes (Something Different!)

[maelzch]

Regarding the Ogres, if the force is lead by an Irongut champ, is he taken independantly of a unit as a hero chioce?

[Mike]

There we have it- anyone ever caught out by Siren Song in the history of warhammer is an idiot. Nice one Mike!

I was going on the theory that if you saw your opponent had a unit of daemonettes with a herald you'd be pretty foolish to setup straight opposite them given the high possibility of siren song in the unit.

Fast Cav facing the wrong way FTW!

[khaosgoblin]

However mark that rules is
not clear, it simply states you must have
a general to lead the army, not that he
is the only hero allowed, maybe just
make it clearer.

I have ammedned the rulepack above with the line
"A Single Hero must lead the force as the Army General (No other characters may be selected)"

[khaosgoblin]

Going on the assumption that your opponent:

A) Has only 1 Unit
B) Has no disposable 'cover units'
C) Has no terrain anywhere near them
D) Is a complete Idiot.

i'd say you were spot on

If you take out option d) there are still enough ways to get round this at this level, 13 daemonettes will go down pretty fast to shooting & with no flyers & limited cavalry there is less opportunity to drag chargers towards the unit.

I still expect DOC & DE to be nasty at this level, but hopefully some of the other armies can make a good showing as well.

Cheers for the input.

Mark

[khaosgoblin]

Are High Elves allowed 2 Special Choices since our Core is absolutely Rubbish? Good try but NO!, HE core are fine at low point games. strikes first, fught in multiple ranks etc.

For Empire do Detachments count for #Units and as part of the 200pt limit on a unit and the 25 model max of a unit

In other words would 22 Swordsmen with a unit of 8 Halberdiers be counted as a unit? or 2 seperate units?

I have updated the pack with the following for Empire
"Empire may take detachments up to 25% of the parent unit size (minimum 5 figures) the detachments do not count towards the maximum number of units"

Basically means you will need a block of 20 to get a detachment which wont count towards max units.

Good feedback John

Thanks

Mark

[Veldemere]

I still expect DOC & DE to be nasty at this level, but hopefully some of the other armies can make a good showing as well.
Mark

It seems very difficult to not make DoC and DE nasty at any level, although I think some of the rules might limit DE. By the time the tourney comes round the new skaven should be out who should really work at this level, and the lizzies are not out of it at this level, not sure how many TKs you will get though!

Will they all be pitched battle or objective / mission?

[fatolaf]

It seems very difficult to not make DoC and DE nasty at any level, although I think some of the rules might limit DE.

Mike's argument about the Pendant has changed my mind, but as for DoC, I think the Siren Song has to be banned for this as it would be far too game winning in this format...

By the time the tourney comes round the new skaven should be out who should really work at this level, and the lizzies are not out of it at this level, not sure how many TKs you will get though!

Skaven always do well at this level, as do O&G..
Lizzies suffer from only being able to take one skirmishing unit, but I see why we have this rule (Shades FTW!)

It does seem such a shame that in order to stop the total DE / DoC dominance, that other races suffer in the comp rules..

Mark - Have you possibly thought that for such a novel and fun tournie, that you simply just ban DE or DoC, this way you can soften the comp some what, attract newer players with older races and get an all round more fun environment..
It's not like if a DoC or DE player wanted to enter with a new army that 500 points is a lot to paint...

Will they all be pitched battle or objective / mission?

A mixture of both would be nice, missions should be simple but ones that encourage movement, treasure hunt, encircle, assasinate etc...

[Funkadelic Erik]

Mark - Have you possibly thought that for such a novel and fun tournie, that you simply just ban DE or DoC.

Bit harsh isn't it?

[Veldemere]

Bit harsh isn't it?

I agree, Timmy comp should be able to deal with the worse.

But agreed about banning Siens song!

[fatolaf]

Bit harsh isn't it?

Why though, if you think about, so many current comp rules exist to try and stop DE and DoC and on the whole none of them work.
They tend to in fact hurt the lower armies more and the DE/DoC simply by pass them and do what they do best...

Could I suggest some more specific rules to deal with DE & DoC if you are to keep them..

A limit on shooting troops (DE RBT's count as double)

DoC Ward save only 6+ or reduced to that if hurt by magical attacks

No Siren Song

If Horrors are taken, you can't have a mage hero