Sheffield Slaughter 2012 - 28/29th Jan

[Tom Hale]

Drop a ray ogre and add loads of packmasters

[Chris Legg]

Wouldnt that unit be a mixed unit, not a monstrous infantry one? So no LOS for anyone.

[shadownova24]

well i could drop the rat ogre champion, why in  mixed unit if i had 5/7 PM wouldn't give LOS for other characters on same size bases???

[Chris Legg]

Because you would need to be in a unit of the same type- not same base size.

[shadownova24]

Because you would need to be in a unit of the same type- not same base size.

Skweel Gnawtooth and Throt the Unclean are the same type as are PM ??

and a boanbreaker is a monstrous beast same as the rat ogres so does that allow LOS

very sketchily rulings ere as of the skaven way

and Skweel Gnawtooth PG 71 RB clams he is a packmaster, but on page 103 clams he is a champion in all respects, and he is a character so does he have to go in the frount rank or places where ever i like, like a pack master ???

[maelzch]

The bonebreaker counts as monstrous cav, so can't get LoS from anything

[Meals]

As Lee says, no for the Bonebreaker.

If Skweel and Throt just count as unit champions, then I believe they would get LOS. However, if the SCs count as Characters, then I think Leggy is right on the other two, but I have no idea whether there's some overriding rule in the Skaven book. That entire thing is a !@%$#%@ mess, ruleswise...

[Undead Dan]

No no, Leggy's on about something else. Thanks to the Lizardmen FAQ, a unit with different types of models in there (e.g. Skink-Krox, or Rat-Ogres-Packmasters) counts as overal unit type: unique. This means a bunch of stuff, like not being able to be stomped, can't be hit by Dreaded 13th, and you can't enter buildings... aaaand also, as the unit is unique and the characters mentioned are not, no look out sir is possible with the unit.

That includes when Skink Priests go in Skink-Krox units, so always shoot them with cannons and be sure to thank all those lizardmen players who pushed for this FAQ answer in the first place to protect their precious Skink-Kroxigor units from being stomped

[shadownova24]

The bonebreaker counts as monstrous cav, so can't get LoS from anything

"The Rat Ogre Bonebreaker is a
monstrous beast as described in the Warhammer rulebook with
the following exception: the Rat Ogre Bonebreaker can only
join a regiment of Clanrats, Stormvermin or Rat Ogres."

[maelzch]

But when a monstous beast is ridden, it's then monstrous cavalry.