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Which army needs the 7th Ed revamp the most after Skaven come out.
Vote and Justify yourselves..... :)
2 votes per person...

Ogres, cause they are allmost there, they only need to make a few tweaks, the models are ok , they just need a bit of a pump rules-wise.

Lock this thread now, there is nothing anyone can add to my comments!

Quote from: Veldemere on May 21, 2009, 04:00:26 pm
Ogres, cause they are allmost there, they only need to make a few tweaks, the models are ok , they just need a bit of a pump rules-wise.

Lock this thread now, there is nothing anyone can add to my comments!

But you could say the same for TK as well, so no locking yet sunshine... :-*

arent Dwarves already 7th ed?

Daemons need a reverse update!

Quote from: Mike on May 21, 2009, 04:22:03 pm
arent Dwarves already 7th ed?

6.5 Ed...

QuoteDaemons need a reverse update!

God yes, along with those other chaps you so like... 8)

Take That?

The answer is Beasts. They really need the book, as half the stuff they were supposed to have access to has been removed, the special rules for the army now work against them, and they have trouble fighting Ogres - let alone anything else.

Gah, ok, I suppose the ruleset for BoC that needs the most update for all the reasons you said. I suppose the reason I still went with ogres is that the BoC book needs to be done from the ground up including some of the model ranges and new units needed. whereas the ogres could be done with just a few erratas, make rhinox official, reduce some of the points, +1 WS across the board, maybe 6+ tough skin save across the board, make butchers/ slaughtermasters able to be generals, remove the 3000pt+ rule for slaughtermasters, and a couple of other minor tweaks and presto 7th ed ogres!

All true, the Ogres don't need a lot of work so could be knocked out fairly quickly. They don't need much model wise either - a couple of new characters, and more Maneaters (plastic, maybe?).

Beasts need pretty much everything redone on the model front, so it'll be interesting to see which arrives first.

Quote from: Funkadelic Erik on May 22, 2009, 10:46:40 am
Beasts need pretty much everything redone on the model front, so it'll be interesting to see which arrives first.

They were ready to go this summer, but the plug was pulled, strange decision as so many people are jumping on the WoC wagon...

Crank the Skaven out, as the amount of models & extras needed for the army means that GW can expect a big seller - if the rules are good enough to encourage bandwagon jumping.

Quote from: Funkadelic Erik on May 22, 2009, 02:05:18 pm
if the rules are good enough to encourage bandwagon jumping.

If what I have read so far, then they will be.... ::)

no prizes guessing which two i went for!

Chaos Darves, just cause i've really got into them as an army now (with the hellcannon style CDs)

DoW, simply because i used to have a 6000pt DoW army, now its just a box filler at my parents!

I agree it would be good to see the CDs back, but have to admit I am not sure if it is in the offing as they already have 3 chaos books and seem to have integrated the CD fluff into the warriors. The cost of starting a new model range would not seem to make much economic sense either (although I hope I am wrong). As for DoW, I have a fear that they will be combined with ogres, I hope not but the last ogre book almost suggested that it had the dual purpose of being both a stand alone army and a mercenary contingent.

Quote from: fatolaf on May 22, 2009, 02:12:23 pm
If what I have read so far, then they will be.... ::)

ahh FFS why do I always choose Bandwagon armies!!!....

Quick.. I need the most non-bandwagon army going... for when people start accusing me of jumping the bandwagon and getting skaven... ohhh on the plus side... that would be army number 3!

Dark Eldar. They need it more than any of that Fantasy rubbish.

(OK and Ogres too, as they should be cool but right now kind of aren't. Also it will drag Ritchie back from the precipice of Dark Elf canyon. Prob BoC too.)

Quote from: Mike on May 27, 2009, 10:55:17 am
ahh FFS why do I always choose Bandwagon armies!!!....

I would not worry about it, Skaven will not be as radically 'different' as DE. The reaction won't be anywhere as severe as that backlash. Not even as bad as the anti Steg brigade...
So long as you avoid going ultra 'sad' against mates and only use the rumoured ' Vermin lord ' ITP Horde army at GT's.
You will be fine, like O&G, Ratties can kill themselves just as much as the enemy, and any opponent should appreciate this...

As for Ogres, I quite like the idea of mixing the book with DoW, would make sense and give them some much needed tools...

Quote from: Nick on May 27, 2009, 12:02:25 pm
(OK and Ogres too, as they should be cool but right now kind of aren't. Also it will drag Ritchie back from the precipice of Dark Elf canyon. Prob BoC too.)

Save yourselves, having got used to having a chance of winning I have a taste for it....no....must resist.....must play nice... :(

Quote from: Mike on May 27, 2009, 10:55:17 am
ahh FFS why do I always choose Bandwagon armies!!!....

Quick.. I need the most non-bandwagon army going... for when people start accusing me of jumping the bandwagon and getting skaven... ohhh on the plus side... that would be army number 3!

Not going to have another WoC army make it's debut, are we?

Ol... order me in some flamers and about 100 horrors.  If im gonna bandwagon im gonna do it in style!!.

or not. :-[

Quote from: Mike on May 27, 2009, 02:32:53 pm
Ol... order me in some flamers and about 100 horrors.  If im gonna bandwagon im gonna do it in style!!.

or not. :-[

As much as we would love the order, I just could not bring myself to do it.... ;)

"ERROR.  Your order cannot be processed.  O&G employ a strict t**t filter that kicks in on any Horror order in excess of 10 models.  Not only is you order declined but we have just sent word to our roaming Chav's to employ the age old 'flaming doggy doo in a bag' on your doorstep... free of charge.

have a nice day"

Winging it's way now to our T&C section on the site.... ;D

Quote from: fatolaf on May 27, 2009, 03:39:32 pm
Winging it's way now to our T&C section on the site.... ;D

The solicitors have asked me to clarify that we do not endorse the above statement!  :-X

Looking good for the beasts in this poll, lets get some more ogre votes going!

Surprised that the Dwarfs have not had a single vote yet!

Can we add Sartosan Fishmen to the poll list pls?

Quote from: StarDragonFTW on May 28, 2009, 04:38:12 pm
Can we add Sartosan Fishmen to the poll list pls?

lol

Not even as a DoW unit! :(

How about daemons? They need an update, in order to bring them into line with the rest of the books.

Of course, start there and where do they stop? DE are just as viable for a knock too.

Quote from: StarDragonFTW on May 28, 2009, 04:38:12 pm
Can we add Sartosan Fishmen to the poll list pls?

Sartosa's pirates, fools!

Quote from: maelzch on May 28, 2009, 11:45:02 pm
Sartosa's pirates, fools!

Pirates are men, where there's Pirates there's ships, where there's ships there's water, where there's water there's fish, QED, quid pro quo my dear Clarise, to admit there are pirates is to admit there are fishmen !

I was thinking of Sartosan Fishmen actually, with their Human allies

There is no current book, so it cant be updated can it.?...Ol

Quote from: Funkadelic Erik on May 28, 2009, 04:52:00 pm
How about daemons? They need an update, in order to bring them into line with the rest of the books.

Of course, start there and where do they stop? DE are just as viable for a knock too.

That is why there is massive rumours about 8th Ed not being too far away, which will supposedly tone down the broken books and pave the way for balanced TK, BoC, OK books...

Who vote for TK?  :endit:
Ogers has to be updated because I feel  :cry: for the oger player I faced at the CC.

And CW needs a book.

Quote from: Julien on June 10, 2009, 03:48:57 pm
Ogers has to be updated because I feel  :cry: for the oger player I faced at the CC.

I don't, and I think his army was a bit of a mickey take. Half of the armies models were empty bases with snow flock on them. It was confusing as to how many models were in a unit.

Still, at least the game didn't take long.

Quote from: Julien on June 10, 2009, 03:48:57 pm
Ogres has to be updated because I feel  :cry: for the ogre player I faced at the CC.

What did he have in his list?

Quote from: Veldemere on June 10, 2009, 05:30:04 pm
What did he have in his list?

Some ogers :roft: Big unit of ironguts with tyrant and bsb, 2 butcher, 2 rhinox, 2 units of gnoblar and some stuff.

Quote from: Julien on June 10, 2009, 06:26:35 pm
Some ogers :roft: Big unit of ironguts with tyrant and bsb, 2 butcher, 2 rhinox, 2 units of gnoblar and some stuff.

So basically the best build you can get (other than the Skrag build but what cheesemonger would use that  :wink;m::)

Quote from: Veldemere on June 10, 2009, 08:43:14 pm
So basically the best build you can get (other than the Skrag build but what cheesemonger would use that  :wink;m::)

He was rubbish though Rich. I had the army set up in a U shape, with flesh hounds forming the sides - he walked into the middle, allowed me to charge with everything and expected to fight his way out of it.

Quote from: Funkadelic Erik on June 11, 2009, 09:16:31 am
He was rubbish though Rich. I had the army set up in a U shape, with flesh hounds forming the sides - he walked into the middle, allowed me to charge with everything and expected to fight his way out of it.

What are these tic tac things of which you speak? I thought the whole game was about put down, move forward, pick up!

Quote from: Veldemere on June 11, 2009, 10:30:07 am
What are these tic tac things of which you speak? I thought the whole game was about put down, move forward, pick up!

I believe the chap approached the table with the same idea.

Poor sod had my daemons for the first game of the second day, and I wasn't in the mood for messing about.

Quote from: Funkadelic Erik on June 11, 2009, 10:33:12 am
Poor sod had my daemons for the first game of the second day, and I wasn't in the mood for messing about.

I know, poor bastard, not what you expect after losing your first 3 games, a bloody DoC army complete with BT...
At least it were quick.... :):-)

Quote from: Julien on June 10, 2009, 03:48:57 pm
Who vote for TK?  :endit:

Me, purely because it would be so easy to do, a few new hero minis and a new rare choice.
Sort out a few costings, re-do entirely the magic items list and sort out the characters and job done...

QuoteAnd CW needs a book.

CW..???

Ok I voted Wood Elves and Ogres for the very simple reason they are the two armies on that list I'm list likely to buy and don't need any more excuses to start a new army!!  :wink;m:: Not totally sure that's the point of the poll, but if Beasts of Chaos or Bretonnia appear in the next few months my bank account is going to take a beating so I really hope they don't!

if i could have another vote it would be for tomb kings, as ive just come up with a great idea for a themed army!

How can you not want to do an Ogre army Matt, they are the most fun! If only they could be slightly competitive it would be great!

Quote from: Veldemere on June 11, 2009, 10:04:15 pm
How can you not want to do an Ogre army Matt, they are the most fun! If only they could be slightly competitive it would be great!

I only paint the armies I like the look and character of, not the ones that are particularly good in the game (well that's the excuse I use when I lose all the time)! But I think it's because I joined Warhammer in the 4th edition and was absent for the 6th edition, so I only know Ogres as that funny unit Empire and Orcs & Goblins can take - in fairness I've never found out much about them so I might like them (but best not find out in case I do want to buy them!).

True, the next few armies are all great armies for painting/ conversion potential, beasts (although you can have too much brown I suspect there will be many, many dipped armies), TK (stunning looking heroes and characters, lots of skeles though, until the additional sprue soon), and skaven (again lots of brown, lots of dipping but just a bit of fun). Thankfully my bank manager has control of my plastic crack habit!

Quote from: Veldemere on June 14, 2009, 12:11:54 am
TK (stunning looking heroes and characters, lots of skeles though, until the additional sprue soon),

Well, we have exactly one LP model which is not that great too be fair.
One good King model even though the weapon is a bit dodgy.
The best model being the Icon Bearer, which is probebly up their with the Master Engineer as the most useless hero ever...

TK desperatley need more hero models and variation....