Greetings Everybody!
After a few days quiet contemplation I have decided to join the massed ranks of the painting blog elite...
As some of you may know I'm in the middle of a bit of a rage quite.
There are multiple reasons for this turn of events, some of which exist purely as an existential aspect of my personality. Some however are hard fact. Or at least as close to hard fact as one can achieve in a galaxy where the terms infinite and finite exist and are divisible by each other.
1. Personal circumstances meaning wanting to have a bit of a break from stuff that may get me pissed off (my pissed off tolerance level is quite low right now, in fact I would recommend not to say something which might annoy me, I shall hold whoever says it responsible for my actions, you have been warned...)
2. After 7-8 ish months of playing Ogres when no one played ogres am a little disappointed with the mass exodus to Ogre Kingdoms by people wanting an easy push forward and win army (directed to all you Mournfang spammers, not you Stevo). This is annoying me for many reasons. Partly the fact that I played them when they were shit and know all the tricks, but now can get beaten by people who have no idea about supporting attacks, allocation or making way (one guy claimed there was an FAQ on TWF saying cats could make supporting attacks, but was surprised when I told him my bulls could make 3 supporting attacks even though all he could hit in the unit was characters and champion. He thought if he could hit the champion then hecould hit the nit, and tried to get a ref to say he could, despite me telling him that I'd played the army for the last 6 months and this used to be the only viable tactic of the ogre kingdoms list...I actually wanted to punch him for that). But mainly because I've lost forever General Spangleshard, just when I discovered the joys of shouting 'WOOF!' very loudly mid tournament game. Ah well...
3. My Ogres were painted very quickly to an acceptable tournament standard. They're never going to win any medals but they're nice and coherent on the table. I have plans for a redo with the entire army as dogs of war (slayer pirate Maneaters with BoP, bulls at Vespero's with cloaks and daggers, a Mournfang cav of Venators, 1 with an oversized handlebar moustache. Besiegers as leadbelchers with bolt throwers as their crossbows and Ironguts as Riccos republican guard and Maneaters as Lost legion with a mix of crossbows- pistols and pikes- GWs). However this army is going to be a labour of love, will cost a fortune and need me to learn how to green stuff and convert properly.
Because of this I need a new project.
There were a few options.
VC. With a tasty new book and hopefully less power gamers was a very attractive prospect. However, with having to move house soon I'm not sure I'd be able to cope with a horde army, despite being able to do it fairly cheap with mantic.
Empire Quite like the idea of an entire mounted army but would mean starting a whole army from nothing...
So what does this leave?
Well, far back in the mists of ancient time in the great and glorious days of the former galactic empire life was wild, rich and on the whole tax free. In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high. Men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri. Ahem.
What I mean is, when I first joined the club in the old pub where people played 7th edition, I played High Elves.
The reason for this was I could do an army with minimal models making it easier to carry and more likely that I'd get round to painting it... This final part never happened.
My 7th edition High Elf army was a Caledor themed list, and consisted of a Lord... on dragon. Mage... on dragon, 2 units of 10 archers, 2 bolt throwers, 10 phoenix (dragon) guard and 2 units of dragon princes.
Filth in the extreme. Many was the day I'd run riot over a friend's dwarf army- He tried to shoot my dragon princes, in fact I gave him a beautiful flank shot with a cannon, knowing that it must have rune of fire on. He fires, misfired, took it off, then I told him he couldn't hurt them anyway, the look on his face was priceless. Or run the dragon into a large ethereal unit, only to pull out the amulet of light for those magical dragon attacks!
And so my joy continued until I met Lee, Mr Gateway himself... turn 1, irresistible gateway, take off mage with my 2 scrolls, turn 2 gateway. Take off other dragon. Turn 3, gateway, take off phoenix guard).
Then came 8th edition.
I spent days slaving over the army book, barely eating the perfectly normal beast sandwich so eloquently made for me.
Eventually I gave up.
No list I could write recreated the joys of the Caledor list to my satisfaction.
They promptly got packed away, thrown into the attic and have collected dust ever since (except for 1 or 2 outings, I seem to remember a unit of dragon princes charging chuck in the flank and without any magical interference taking him off. Eat that Mr Cheese-monger Lee!
Anyway, sometime, 2 armies later, I have decided to revisit the pointy eared wimps, and this is to be my electronic narrative of their growth, paint-th and eventual demise when a new book comes out making them this (or whichever) year's must have filth.
But in the meantime, sit back, relax and enjoy the hideously expensive start of my army!
And remember; always know where your towel is.
(Almost all quotes property of Great Publication Corporations of Ursa Minor. See Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy for further details.)
Yeah... I love a good ramble-blog!!!!
I'm sorry we've already had a blog about putting together a High Elf army this slot is taken! :wink;m::
Good luck, I look forward to seeing how you get on, I've had a lot of fun painting the brightly coloured Elves so I hope they bring back the joy of the game?!
If the rest of your blog is anything like this amazing rambly stream-of-consciousness, I'm looking forward to it already! :thumbsup:
I've been having similar Rage Quit-like symptoms, I'm hoping a run of fun/silly games involving things that look pretty (like dragons) will cure it too.
The new VC book has saved me from my meh-quit at least, mainly because I can paint ghouls and skeletons very easily.
Update 1!
Quick I know.
Don't worry; it won't be all that informative!
In this 1st I'm going to let you all know what my army used to look like. Then I'll post some pictures of what I have. Finally will be a little rant about what I want/need for the army in 8th and a few trial lists.
So back in 7th edition we used to play 2000 point games.
We also used to play with a different system of selecting armies that some people may still remember...
None of this percentages lark. It was all down to number of choices.
High Elves, breaking rules as they did needed only 2 core choices.
Below was my fairly standard looking army form 7th.
2000 Pts - High Elves Roster
Prince (545 pts)
Prince. Moon Dragon, Armour of Caledor,
Vambraces of Defense,
The Amulet of Light,
Dragon Mage (435 pts)
Dragon Mage of Caledor, Level 2
Dispel Scroll, Dispel Scroll, Talisman of Protection,
10 Archers, 110 pts
10 Archers, 110 pts
Dragon Princes (5#, 230 pts)
Musician Mus + Standard Bearer
Std, Drakemaster,
The Gem of Courage, War Banner.
Dragon Princes (5#, 240 pts)
Musician Mus + Standard Bearer
Std. Drakemaster, The Skeinsliver, Banner of Ellyrion,
Phoenix Guard (15#, 325 pts)
Musician Mus + Standard Bearer Std. Keeper of the Flame, Amulet of Fire, Banner of Sorcery.
So there we go.
A filthy looking 7th edition double terror causer minimal core list. As I said, it doesn't convert well...
Coming up next will be some lovely picture of what I have in it's rather basic state of minimal paint!
Good going Noah, look forward to seeing the most expensive DP unit back on the table again (all made out of the mounted lord model)
Quote from: fatolaf on January 18, 2012, 03:34:23 pm
Good going Noah, look forward to seeing the most expensive DP unit back on the table again (all made out of the mounted lord model)
Yup. Although they may be taking the form of silver helms...
Good to see another conversation-style blog! Looking forward to seeing how Caledor convert across to 8th, it may tempt me into doing my Chrace-themed rarrgh list I've been considering!
Quote. Some however are hard fact. Or at least as close to hard fact as one can achieve in a galaxy where the terms infinite and finite exist and are divisible by each other.
Quote...and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri.
Reading Hitchhikers at the moment?
Quote
And so my joy continued until I met Lee, Mr Gateway himself... turn 1, irresistible gateway, take off mage with my 2 scrolls, turn 2 gateway. Take off other dragon. Turn 3, gateway, take off phoenix guard).
Ooops, I now feel responsible for your original rage quit of the HE!
Quote from: maelzch on January 18, 2012, 05:33:46 pm
Good to see another conversation-style blog! Looking forward to seeing how Caledor convert across to 8th, it may tempt me into doing my Chrace-themed rarrgh list I've been considering!
To be honest I'm only using Caledor for theme.
I don't know how well dragons will run in 8th. And multiple small units of cav are probably sub optimal.
But I'm sure I can elbow in Phoenix guard and white lions to the list. Always thought sword masters died too easily from shooting to make a difference.
Quote from: maelzch on January 18, 2012, 05:33:46 pm
Reading Hitchhikers at the moment?
Ooops, I now feel responsible for your original rage quit of the HE!
Not reading, more listening!
Don't worry, it wasn't you that made me quit high elves, was my own inability to make a list!
Update 2!
So, to get everyone up to speed with what I've actually got, a base from where we shall start so to speak, here are some pretty pictures of my current High Elf models.
I did read Annie's very good blog on how to paint models, however with my usual ineptitude managed to not own any of the relevant parts needed to accurately photograph models.
Number of spot lamps- 0
Current natural light intensity- 0
Number of tables/surfaces which I can use- variable depending on how much crap I can balance in other places.
Number of A3 sheets of paper- 0
Camera to use... iPhone built in camera!
I rock!
Anyway, here, hopefully, are some pictures of what I own so far....
Here's my dragon mage in all his painted, non weapon broken glory...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0093.jpg)
And my dragon riding lord in similar state...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0094.jpg)
Any my infamously expensive dragon princes!
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0096.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0097.jpg) (http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0101.jpg)
That's right. 12 of the noble kits!
And what did I do with the rest I hear you ask...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0102.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0103.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0105.jpg)
My unit of Phoenix/Dragon Guard.
Fluff behind them is they're the guardians of the bit of Caledor where the dragons live.
Next we have core.
Here is 30 of the old school mono pose spear men. Again in my very own varying degree of paint scheme...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0118.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0119.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0120.jpg)
And the archers to go with them.
For some reason I have 44 of these.
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0122.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0123.jpg)
Finally we have 2 repeater bolt throwers...the old school ones!
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0124.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0125.jpg)
In addition I have 2 of the gamezone bolt throwers, ut they're in so many bits its not really worth showing them. Here's what they're supposed to look like...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/image_6721.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/image_6722.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/image_6723.jpg)
I promise future updates will have a lot less pictures in them!
(Just a quick request. Is there anyone out there who knows about punctuation and grammer? Mine is universally acclaimed to be worse than a dyslexic slug)
Update 3!
So, now we're all on the same page an know that my sanity has long ago taken itself off for a nice relaxing break somewhere where it's warm and sunny, thus leaving me a gibbering wreak o a man to pick up multiple copies of the same box of plastic because in my deranged mind it made sense at the time (Although I hear Ol was particularly pleased when he turned up for work one day to see an order of 10 high elf noble box sets...)
Let us begin with turning this pathetic excuse for a collection of models into a force to be reckoned with!
Step 1.
Lists.
So, first off I have decided to try and make a version of my old 7th ed list.
Here's what I've come up with...
List 1.
Prince, 557 pts Moon Dragon Armour of Caledor, Vambraces of Defense, The Amulet of Light. (for those who aren't sure I'll put what the items do in italics. Armour of Caledor gives you a 2+ save, plus a 2+ ward vs flaming. Vambraces are 4+ ward and reroll armour saves. Amulet of light makes all attacks from the unit magical)
Dragon Mage of Caledor, 420 pts Sun Dragon, Silver Wand, Guardian Phoenix
Lore of Fire. (silver wand= +1 spell, guardian phoenix 5+ ward)
1 Noble (Battle Standard Bearer), 164 pts Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour Dragonscale Shield, Sacred Incense (dragon scale shield- 5+ armour save, 6+ward, sacred inscence -1 to hit from shooting)
27 Lothern Sea Guard, 404 pts Musician, Standard Bearer, Champion
Shields. Standard of Discipline
10 Archers, 115 pts. Musician
10 Archers, 115 pts. Musician
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 160 pts Musician.
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 160 pts Musician.
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician
Great Eagle, 50 pts
Total 2391
Now, I'm sure this would be a very interesting list to play... in fact might have a go with it down the club if someone fancies and will let me proxy dragon princes/Silver helms!
However decided to go for a rewrite and see what I could come up with...
Here's list 2.
List 2
Archmage 350 pts, Level 4. Silver Wand, Talisman of Saphery, Folariath's Robe, The Lore of Life (talisman of Saphery- magic weapons in base to base count as mundane, Robes- ethereal and cannot attack)
Noble (Battle Standard Bearer), 164 pts Extra Hand Weapon, Battle Standard
Bearer. Armour of Caledor, Dawnstone
Mage, 155 pts, Level 2, Dispel Scroll, High Magic
Mage, 170 pts, Level 2, The Seerstaff of Saphery, Ironcurse Icon, The Lore of Shadow(seerstaff- choose spells rather than rolling)
25 Lothern Sea Guard, 335 pts Full command. Banner of Eternal Flame
20 Lothern Sea Guard, 265 pts Full command.
18 Phoenix Guard, 330 pts Full command. Dragonbane Gem, Banner of Arcane Protection(MR2)
18 White Lions of Chrace, 335 pts Full command. Dragonhelm. Lion Standard(immune to fear and terror)
Other thought was to take terrifying mask of Eee! And gleaming pendant. Unit causes terror and can reroll 1st failed Ld test.
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician, Shield
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician, Shield
Great Eagle, 50 pts
Total 2400.
5 spells on lore of life should mean I get most of the ones I want. He's immune to magical weapons and makes all magic weapons in base to base contact mundane.
I can choose what to take from shadows (probably withering and enfeebling foe)
Both the champions have 2+ wards vs flaming, just for fluff you understand!
Finally list 3. Delightfully character heavy!
List 3
Prince, 229 pts Dragon Armour, The White Sword, Talisman of Endurance
Archmage 350 pts, Level 4. Silver Wand, Talisman of Saphery, Folariath's Robe, The Lore of Beasts. (rarrh mountain chimera! Dispel it and you can't hurt me!)
Noble (Battle Standard Bearer), 168 pts Great Weapon. Armour of Caledor, Ruby Ring of Ruin
Mage, 155 pts Level 2. Dispel Scroll. The Lore of Metal
Mage, 165 pts Level 2. The Trickster's Pendant. High Magic(opponent must roll twice on miscast table and high elf player picks result))
27 Lothern Sea Guard, 359 pts Full command. Banner of Eternal Flame
10 Archers, 125 pts Musician
10 Archers, 125 pts Musician
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 160 pts Musician
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 160 pts Musician
20 Phoenix Guard, 400 pts Full command. Amulet of Fire. Banner of Sorcery. (Amulet- mr1 and 2+ ward vs fire. Banner of socery- d3 power dice)
Total 2396
And there we go.
Step 2.
Models
Plan is to do it all on... lava bases!
I'm sure Lee will approve!
Going to get some of the sarissa movement trays and bases, stick some cork on and go from there. Would quite like to make the trays so that the lava actually flows through them, so would do all the bases on a tray together.
What I shall probably do is go for list 2, that way make plenty of stuff for which I can make the other lists!
So the plan for the Phoenix Guard would be Phoenix Guard with Dragon Prince/Noble helmets. They've got plenty of flames on them so that fits...
As for the White Lions the plan for them is to get a box or 2 of Corsairs and stick on White Lion arms, and once again, Dragon Prince heads.
For the Silver Helms I'll probably use my current mounted models, and by a box or 3 of the new Dragon Princes to use as Dragon Princes!
So.
Thoughts, ideas, criticisms, random comments, offers of bits, basically anything, just make me feel loved by writing on my blog!
Wow! Three updates in one day, and they say I'm mad.
Couple of questions. Why/how do you own 250 Prince/Noble kits? Secondly what have you done with your dragon's wings? I have currently nearly finished one (which will appear on the blog soon, when these Awards are done - don't worry blog fans). I was planning to not attach them and just slot them in out of the bodies as needed to make transport easier, but one of the pegs on the wings broke in the slot, so now I think I'm going to have to attach/pin them. Any thoughts?
I know, I feel a bit strange if i'm being honest!
It's not really 250. only a mere 249!
please don't ask why I own so many.
It was because at the time to make a unit of 5 dragon princes cost £35.
and to buy 5 of the noble sets cost £50 ish. and I figured that I could use the other bits to make modles on foot...
I've not attached mine yet.
One thought that I think I mentioned was to magnetise them.
There's a nice big gap that you could quite easily fit a magnet into on the body, and a quick bit of drilling in the wing may well work as well.
Edit
Just a quick edit.
here's my Korhil and Caradryan which |I actually managed to paint.
This was all done before the joys of washes which may well have helped with the hair on Caradryan...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0114.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0117.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0115.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/High%20Elf%20Stuff/IMG_0116.jpg)
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 18, 2012, 08:37:28 pm
It was because at the time to make a unit of 5 dragon princes cost £35.
and to buy 5 of the noble sets cost £50 ish. and I figured that I could use the other bits to make modles on foot...
There's a logic somewhere I suppose!
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 18, 2012, 08:37:28 pm
I've not attached mine yet.
One thought that I think I mentioned was to magnetise them.
There's a nice big gap that you could quite easily fit a magnet into on the body, and a quick bit of drilling in the wing may well work as well.
Hmmmm... I suppose I should get the hang of this magnetising, I decided to do some magnetising to my Chaos Lord on Manticore, which promptly resulted in me leaving it on my painting shelf gathering dust for the last 6 months. Only problems is wings don't fit that well and look like they could do with a good coating of green stuff.
Prolific blogging dude... 3 updates in one day! Theres some rubbish blogs on here where their celebrity authors only post once a day!!!!! Can you believe it!!!
I think you should host a forum awards show! :wink;m::
I think list 1 looks totally fun dude, while list two and three, look a bit sensible and standard to me. That is not how we roll... take list 1 like a man (and hope to dodge cannons at tournaments!!!)
Quote from: Steve H on January 18, 2012, 09:09:19 pm
Prolific blogging dude... 3 updates in one day! Theres some rubbish blogs on here where their celebrity authors only post once a day!!!!! Can you believe it!!!
I think you should host a forum awards show! :wink;m::
The thing you'll find Noah is that if (and I hope it does) your blog becomes very popular, some people get very bitter. I find it best to ignore them, and then with any luck they'll Rage Quit abusing your blog :wink;m::
Day 1 was always going to be hard core as I needed to get the whole set up thing done. Please dont expect 3 updates a day form now on. 1 a week would be lucky!
I do agree that list 1 looks like a laugh.
Like I said, would be good to try it out a few times and see how totally bonkers it is!
What size base are eagles on? and does anyone know of any good dragon models that might suit?
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 18, 2012, 09:25:53 pm
What size base are eagles on? and does anyone know of any good dragon models that might suit?
They are on 40mm bases (well the Wood Elf ones are, I used them as much cheaper and multiple poses unlike the one listed under the High Elf section of the Games Workshop site).
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 18, 2012, 09:25:53 pm
What size base are eagles on? and does anyone know of any good dragon models that might suit?
No idea if these (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500025a&prodId=prod1140116) will be the right size but they look like they could be.
Look forward to seeing this blog progress. You may even have encouraged me to start one... maybe
Even if those are 50mm bases I'm sure it would work, it's not as if they're going to overhang the base more than the Great Eagle's wing span already does!
Have seen those while browsing.
To be honest am not that impressed with them. They look very cartoony. Wondered if anyone knew of other manufacturers who made decent looking smaller dragon models. Reaper do a few, but they never put sizes on their stuff which is a massive pain!
Isn't the mantic dragon about eagle sized? I think that's nice...
You could trawl through Reaper Miniatures for stuff. They have pretty much everything under the sun, can be a bit tricky figuring out the scale though.
P.S. I will only accept this army if you're lords Dragon is upgraded to:
(http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/elspethvdrak3.jpg)
I will not accept excuses... :wink;m::
I've just looked on the Forgeworld web site. I was expecting that dragon to be £150 minimum, it's actually only £70! If only it didn't have some silly little human wizard on!
Facially at least, I thought she did look quite Elf like, I wonder if she come seperate to the Dragon?
noah, they actually do it without the character.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/CARMINE_DRAGON.html
£55 is a good price for that model!!!
Do it!!!!
I am tempted. I'd love to get one of the Heresy dragons. But £200 and a 7 month wait is a bit of an ouch!
Your other option, Noah, would be this guy for a small fee of US$299:
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/media/catalog/product/c/a/cang-rt-lower.jpg)
http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/cang.html And yes the dude on top is 28mm
no problem with TLOS with that birdy....Amazing
here's the heresy dragon, in all it's unobtainable goodness!
(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/large/dragon.jpg)
An award winning model, nearly as prestigious as The Procrastination by Numbers Awards!
Update 4!
Good evening ladies and gentleman!
So after my 'prolific' start to the world of blogging, as suggested things have somewhat slowed down.
However there are some important updates to fill you all in on.
1.
List.
After much (or maybe very little) persuasion I have decided to go for the slightly insane 7th-8th conversion list.
For those who can't be arsed to look back and find the list (And the fact I've toyed with it a little bit) it looks something along the lines of...
Prince, 553 pts. Moon Dragon. Dragon Armour, Shield, Lance, Helm of Fortune (6+ save and reroll armour saves), Talisman of Preservation, Amulet of Light.
Dragon Mage of Caledor, 430 pts. Sun Dragon, Silver Wand, Guardian Phoenix, Gem of Courage.
Lore of Fire.
Noble (Battle Standard Bearer), 164 pts Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour Dragonscale Shield, Sacred Incense
27 Lothern Sea Guard, 381 pts Musician, Standard Bearer,
Shields. Standard of Discipline
10 Archers, 125 pts. Musician, Light Armour
10 Archers, 125 pts. Musician, Light Armour
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 160 pts Musician.
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 160 pts Musician.
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician, Shields
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician, Shields
Great Eagle, 50 pts
Total 2394
2.
Models.
So from the above I need 2 types of cav. Some seaguard, some archers, an eagle and of course 2 dragons.
From that, I have 2 dragons! (although as you may have seen there is some discussion regarding alternate dragon models going on at present...)
I also have the archers and 1 type of cav.
So what more do I need I don't hear you not ask...I think....maybe...although I maybe not not hearing you silently...
Anyway. I need (for those still interested)
Some seaguard.
Another type of Cav
An eagle.
Cav, cav and more cav!
On Monday I trekked along to the club and kindly handed over a small fortune to Mr Ol (I think he's beginning to like me doing High Elf armies, they involve me spending lots of money!)
So winging their way to me via the mysteries of the postal service are 10 Plastic Dragon Princes!
This will be my second cav type.
So all I'm left with are Seaguard and eagle.
Seaguard I'm likely to use, well, Seaguard!
Have seen plenty of places on the net selling bits from the IoB set, so there's lots of seaguard knocking about.
It would have been nice if the shields weren't suck on, but you can't always get what you want (but, I suppose, if I try sometimes I might find, I get what I need)
This leaves Eagles.
Or more precicely Eagle as I only need 1.
Now I have an eagle model, that's actually quite nice and isn't too horribly painted either.
However to fit fluff it would be nice to get a little dragon model.
So where am I at now?
Well, I need to wait until the 30th of jan before I can send more money through paypal (doh!) once I can do this I shall get me some bases and movement trays. Also get some cork for the bases so I can start trying the old lava bases!
I'll also pick up some Seaguard and get to undercoating, asecoating and making them all look pretty!
There's a few small dragon models on GW's website that make perfect "Drakes". Just search Dragon on GW's site.
Update 5!
(I wonder if I should start titling them? Yes Matt, you are my idol and I am trying pathetically to imitate you!)
Dear loyal listeners to my incoherent ramblings (well, I guess not that loyal as I've only just started this blog)
I have some saddening news.
I am moving house at present.
This means lots of things.
Firstly that all painting and paint related activities have ceased as my various incarnations of brushes and paint pots are in different parts of London at present.
Secondly I am moving in with my uncle, who doesn't own a computer, let alone access to the internet.
This is going to mean updates in the future may prove difficult.
But fear not, I have a cunning plan more cunning that a stoat who's had his head cut off.
I shall still be painting (slowly slowly, but it's happening really!) and I shall write my blog entries in a word file, then, by the mysteries of modern technology transfer them on to the internet through witchcraft and wizardry! Otherwise known as memory stick and work internet.
So for today's ramblings I shall recount to you all my latest outing with the fabulous High Elf army you have all been so desperate for me to play with.
My 1st game with double dragon insanity was due to be against an army I knew well. JD's wood elves. Why do I know them so well you may ask. Well, because up until recently they were my wood elves!After my recent foray into the realms of rage quit I flogged off a ton of the old crap I had lying around the hose.
My metal high elf swordmasters, phoenix guard and white lions went on ebay (oh the folly!)
A ton of the rather randomly started but never even base coated lizardmen I had went that way too.
And my wood elf army ended up becoming JD's new project of potential awesomeness (especially wit some of the war dancer comp I've seen banded about).
So for a brief time I was considering how fun it might be to rush a bunch of t3 elves against horrible s4 wood elf shooting. But in the end it didn't happen. After a rescheduling I ended up against Gile's O&G.
Now, normally this would be a match up I wouldn't particularly fancy, big blocks is not something a small cav army likes to play against. But it got worse, as Giles began to unpack war machine after war machine... 9 later (2 stone throwers, 2 doom divers and 5 bolt throwers) I felt like I'd brought a knife to a rather long skewer looking thing fight.
Hey ho, this army was never designed to win anything anyway!
So. Setup.
Giles plonked all his artillery around the hill in the middle of his deployment zone. Big block of black orcs on one side, big block of boys on the other. Squig hopper hoard next to the boys on the far side. 2 massive blocks of goblins either side of the black orcs and a ton of chariots liberally sprinkling about the place.
As for me, mr fighty dragon went on the left lining up against the boys and squigs With a unit of dragon princes and a unit of silver helms in support.
On the far right went the dragon mage, and the other unit of dragon princes. The sea guard went in the middle supported b a unit of archers either side and the silver helms on the side of them.
I completely forgot I had an eagle in the list but we'll get to that later.
Turn 1
The infantry stayed seated, ready to enjoy a fantastic view of the carnage about to unfold.
The left flank went rushing forward as did the right. The silver helms in the middle went right into the middle in an effort to divert some of the units (they are after all a throw aya unit of 120ish points)
Magic phase my wizard having rolled fireball, flame cage and burning head threw a bunch of dice (plus my free dice of course) at a burning head, clipping the black orcs and goblins- I had of course forgotten that black orcs are immune to psych but the intention was to try and get the gobbos to run anyway.
It went off but Giles threw all his dice to stop it, and stopped it he did. However it left him with no dice.
Next I went for a cheeky 2d6 fireball on the black orcs, which I got off but only killed 1 I think. However, this then gave me an extra d3, on top of my extra d6 to cast flame cage on them.
I didn't need these extra dice however, as I rolled a double 6.
Black orcs flame caged up I could be happy they weren't sifting for a turn at least, but what of the miscast. Well, a s10 template later ment the mage was on 1 wound and the dragon had taken one too.
Then Giles had his turn.
Movement was nothing fun, except the squigs lining up rater nicely for me to charge them with DP and SHs.
Black orcs wimped out of taking a s4 hit on every model and chose to sit tight, the gobbos went running forward and threw some fanatics at my innocent looking silver helms, They preceded over the course of the game to wipe out the silver helms, seemingly having magnets to the shiny armour of the knights. The other unit turned to face the dragon.
Magic was fairly inconsequential.
Then came the shooting phase.
Giles' millions of bolt throwers all seemed to be laser guided, hitting units of knights in flanks despite them hiding behind trees. He also took the mage off the dragon who failed his ld test and preceded to go Grrrr! For the rest of the game, standing there like a lemon to be shot at.
After the dust settled both my DPs were down to 3 and my silver helms on the left had but 2 left.
Still, I had a plan. Not a very good plan mind, but some vague collection of sensory perceptions formulated into some vague notion of an idea that might one day form.
Turn 2.
Charges.
The dragon princes and 2 silver helms on the left charged the unit of squig hoppers through a wood, leading to 1 silver helm stuck making daisy chains in the forest. The dragon charged the boys.
The rest of my army mooched about, doing nothing really of any use.
Magic was non-existent now, and shooting was laughable at best.
Combat, this was where it all rested.
I had 3 dragon princes and a single silver helm, hopefully the silver helm would die and I could overrun into the boys.
In total I did 8 wounds for the loss of the silver helm, however with charge and rear this still left Giles on a double 1. Plan coming together, Hannibal would be pleased... Then giles rolls his break test. Double 1. Bugger.
Still, not all so bad.
My dragon got challenged out by the unit champion.
Schnick went the lord on top with his ASF rerolls, s6 for the lance and that's 1 very dead orc.
However giles' static res of 3 ranks banner meant that I still lost the combat, but testing on a 9 was fine (for once in my life)
Giles turn 2and he turned 1 of his chariots to mafe mr dragon, gobbos threw some fanatics at the dragon princes on the right, killing 2. Everything else went running for the soft squidgy centre of my army.
Magic was nothing to write home about, except a chariot getting flung towards my blocks at the back.
Shooting this time wasn't so bad. Partly becase so much was either already dead or in combat.
Combat...
No challenge this time and the dragon would get to play.
The attacks form the dragon and rider did a fairly reasonable amount of damage to the orcs, however the measly S3 breath weapon failed in its entirety.
This time I won the combat, but Giles being stubborn on lots held. ( I should point out at this point that the orcs did keep on failing their fear test so I was hopeful of another bad dice roll.)
The dragon princes wiped out the rest of the squigs leaving them free to bundle in on the orcs next turn.
Turn 3
Dragon princes charged into the orcs.
Other dragon princes tried their luck and charged the gobbos, but 1 then died to the stand and shoot, making breaking him impossible.
Other than that business as usual with the dragon waiting to be killed and the infantry standing at the back like a bunch of girls.
As previously mentioned magic and shooting were a rather symbolic affair.
Combat. The heart of competitive warhammer... er maybe not.
The orc shaman now decided to challenge out the dragon. Much to my annoyance the rider on top killed him outright for 2 wounds, would rather have fluffed and let the dragon wail on him as well.
He dragon princes caused 2 more wounds but took 1 casualty. This time gile's static res of 4+1 was matched by my 4 casualties and a charge, both had musos so everyone stood around admiring the scenery.
The single dragon princes suicidal charge into the gobbos was inevitably a stupid idea and he died eventually to a lot of goblin attacks.
Giles then charged a chariot into the side of the dragon. Moved the rest forward and lined up his killer charges on my infantry.
Shooting took the sun dragon to a hideously low number of wounds but not much else and magic was once again a bit of a no show.
Combat then, and no one else to challenge me out!
The chariot did some impact hits, doing a wound to both rider and mount. The high elf on top hit the orcs again, the dragon hit the chariot for 3 wounds (not quite enough to kill it) and then thunder stomped for a bunch more.
This time I overcame the static res and won the combat by quite a few. However giles was still steadfast, so the orcs didn't move. The chariot did however decide that a roaring dragon was a nasty prospect and prompty ran away.
Turn 4.
And so we enter the twilight of the game.
I had nothing really left to do in any phase except combat.
Again the dragon and dragon princes did a ton of wounds, giles was still stubborn however.
Giles turn 4 and the end was in sight.
A chariot charged the seaguard, gobbos charged the archers. His warboss on chariot charged my dragon.
Shooting saw the end of the sundragon.
Combat. The dragon and DPs did enough to leave no more rank bonuses. However with that stupid rule of the 1st rank being a rank, and 2 of my dragon princes having died to a lucky bolt thrower this meant giles was still stubborn. He did however do a ton of wounds to the dragon, but it was still alive.
The chariot smacked the seaguard around so much they failed their ld9 reroll break test and promptly ran away.
Turn 5.
They think it's all over...
It is now.
The warboss killed the dragon. Not able to do enough wounds back I failed and ran with the DPs, but got away, only for them to be shot this tun by giles's horribly accurate artillery.
Gile's chariot came back on the field
Turn 6,
With all but 4 archers form the ramining unit left there wasn't much I could do,
However I take a moral victory in that despite being able to kill everything else 4 archers did survive the game!
So there you have it.
A trouncing to a hoard of war machines(hmm, that sounds like a good idea for a miniature game...oh no wait...)
So what did I learn?
Nothing?
Well, maybe.
I need to rethink what the dragon rider has. Gave him a lance so he could use a shield for a 2+ rerollable save, but is it that good?
And bsb. No use really. Maybe I should switch him for a second mage.
Other than that I didn';t miss the eagle. So with the points to spare I'm going to put chamions in the DP units. 1 thing I need to be able to do is stop people repeatedly challenging out the dragon.
St turn is fine, as vs a champion I should kill him for 1-2 wounds, this plus a charge puts me at 3. So should only loose by 1 and a ld9 break test hopefully is ok.
If I can then spend turn after turn hitting the unit it doesn't take long before there's not enough left/opponent eventually failed a break even on stubborn, lord knowns I do it enough.
So next exciting update shall contain some list refinements... see you all soon!
So with a bit of fiddling I've come up with this as a list...
Prince on Moon Dragon, dragon armour, shield, word of strife (+2attacks) temakador's gauntlets (+1 AS, 5+ward vs S4 or greater) luckstone (for a single reroll) and potion of foolhardiness (devastating charge, giving me attacks on 1 charge!) 542 pts.
Dragon Mage of Caledor, 425 pts. Sun Dragon, Silver Wand, Guardian Phoenix, Lore of Fire.
BSB. Radient gem of hoeth (lvl 1 wizard) taking High magic. Dragon armour, extra HW. 165 pts
27 Lothern Sea Guard, 386 pts full command,
Shields. Flaming banner
Or, drop the champion form the sea guard and take a lvl 2 mage with a dispel scroll 2+ ward vs flaming and amulet of light to make the seaguard's attacks magical. As for lore, am thinking maybe light, to stop those pesky war machines, or maybe metal as it has a lot of buffs in it that may be useful...
10 Archers, 125 pts. Musician, Light Armour
10 Archers, 125 pts. Musician, Light Armour
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 205 pts Musician, champion, skeinsliver (+1 to go 1st, probably quite key to this list...)
5 Dragon Princes of Caledor, 180 pts Musician, champion
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician, Shields
5 Silver Helms, 123 pts Musician, Shields
Which comes to a nice round 2399.
What about trying to get in a hero on eagle to take challenges, allowing the dragon to go mental?
Don't think its remotely possible to fit an Eagle hero in there, Lee... I'd say the DP champs have to handle that one.
You really need more Eagle chaff though. Unfortunately, you get hit by the stupid 3 flying unit cap in OG comp but you need something to deal with Warmachines, and to get in the way to give the Dragons enough time to eat units. Guess that's for the Helms?
I'd drop the Seaguard to Spearmen. Seaguard are just stuck in the middle, you want to leave them back to shoot, but you need the ranks in combat to break Steadfast. Means they just don't really achieve anything at all... and you pay more for the privilege. I just don't get that unit... (in general, not just specifically in your army)
Oh also, are you actually wasting points for light Armour on the archers? or do they come with that standard?
Yeah, I am stupid enough to put light armour on my archers.
Have justhad a look at changing the seaguard to archers. Would mean I get 39 spearmen with musician and standard and the Ld banner.
Great for increased number of bodies, but high elf spears get to fight in 4 ranks anyway so hoard just makes it easier to kill more of them.
1 option would be 2 units of 20.
the other might be to drop the light armour on the archers and make them 12 strong, then get a unit of 32 spears, full command and +1ld banner. Can then do something stupid like giving the other unit of DPs the terrifying mask of Eee! for 3 terror causers...
You're right about not being able to fit the eagle rider in.
As for an eagle, If i drop the items from the DPs could get an eagle, bt to be honest what I saw was that I can get alot of my army in combat turn 2 if i go 1st, meaning that they're safe from shooting. The DPs and SHs are there to go war machine hunting if they're not needed to take out champions.
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 25, 2012, 10:37:11 am
Update 5! (I wonder if I should start titling them/ Yes Matt, you are my idol and I am trying pathetically to imitate you!)
You cold do a lot worse than idolise me! :wink;m::
Lovely battle report, my High Elves have faced their wrath of Giles' war machine batteries. The Doom Divers simply wiped out my Dragon Princes in a series of direct hits, so to get yours in combat is an achievement!!
The problem I find with High Elf core is those no cheap options to fill the annoying gap when you come in less than a hundred points short of your minimum core with your big units. Big blocks of High Elf Spearmen tend to be considered scary I've found, and my block of 50 dishes out a bucket loads of attacks. Can't see the use of taking light armour on the Archers - even I've never done anything that stupid! Though I think Eagles can be useful, not just as war machine killers but to generally block annoying units you don't want to face in combat - of course if Giles bolt throwers them off turn 1 like he did to me, they are no use!
Big blocks of infantry just go against the ethos of my list is the only thing.
If they put Silver helms back in care that would certainly make it an interesting list to make. Or reavers. Although they've never traditionally been in the core selection, but both Woodies and dark elves have their light cav as core.
Pity can't fit the Bsb on eagle into list - would multiply the damage output of the dragon(s) incredibly (would be tempted to even drop a silver helm unit to make it happen - with added bonus of even fewer deployments = increased chance of going first).
Loving the blog, keep it up! :thumbsup:
You can't fit the eagle in the Hero allowance. Finding points would be easy otherwise.
Love your typo about putting the Sliver Helms into care - probably best for them.
The problem for High Elves is the book was made for 7th edition army selection, in that themeatically they have only the basic units selected from all the regions of Ulthuan (and Sea Guard who can land the ships anywhere) as thier core, whereas all the Special choices are from the specific regions (except Silver Helms, but they are nobles so themeatically seems odd to go in core), you'd expect Reavers for example to be core. Under 7th edition where they had to take less core and could take more special than the other armies I can see how this works, but now where it's a fixed 25% it can be a bit of a penalty in terms of having enough core to fill it. I imagine in 8th either some other units will move to core, or they'll get a reduction in the minimum core allowance. Anyway that's my thoughts - why am I writing it here, that would be a perfect filler for my blog!!
Back to your army and I'd think carefully about BSBs, I've gone without for a long time and regretted it at those important roles.
Quote from: cunningmatt on January 25, 2012, 01:37:40 pm
Love your typo about putting the Sliver Helms into care - probably best for them.
Hmm, maybe work is taking over every part of my life...
Although most of the best ideas come out of typo's I'm sure
Quote from: cunningmatt on January 25, 2012, 01:37:40 pm
Back to your army and I'd think carefully about BSBs, I've gone without for a long time and regretted it at those important roles.
While this is quite true I think what I noticed was my bsb was nowhere near where those rolls were being taken, hence the thought that I could get away without one. If someone's going for the infantry units then that's fine, they are really bait and not much else, it would mean they're not going for the 2 dragons where most of the points are!
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 25, 2012, 01:37:07 pm
You can't fit the eagle in the Hero allowance. Finding points would be easy otherwise.
0]] My bad
Actually have just had a toy around, you canget an eagle rider in... with dragon armour and the charmed shield, but that's it! and no bsb on him.
Think that would just be asking for trouble!
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 25, 2012, 01:46:07 pm
Hmm, maybe work is taking over every part of my life...
Although most of the best ideas come out of typo's I'm sure
I also liked the one about you having loads of crap dotted about your hose - which made me chuckle too! Sorry they happen to the best of us, it's just yours humoured me!!
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 25, 2012, 01:46:07 pm
While this is quite true I think what I noticed was my bsb was nowhere near where those rolls were being taken, hence the thought that I could get away without one. If someone's going for the infantry units then that's fine, they are really bait and not much else, it would mean they're not going for the 2 dragons where most of the points are!
Can you mount him? You must have enough parts from your billion High Elf hero kits!
I could but then he's only going to be in 1 place and I'm likely to have multiple combats at very different parts of the battlefield, hence the thought of just dropping him for a mage, at least with something like metal I can still potentially influence all those combats.
Quote from: noahtonkin on January 25, 2012, 02:36:29 pm
I could but then he's only going to be in 1 place and I'm likely to have multiple combats at very different parts of the battlefield, hence the thought of just dropping him for a mage, at least with something like metal I can still potentially influence all those combats.
Fair point, but just remember every time you fail that critical break test you really should have passed, I'll be giving you a sarcastic 'I told you so' look! :wink;m::
More like that panic test on turn 1 when 5 silver helms get pasted by a doom diver...
Curious though, I'd have thought that with little way to remove steadfast you'd wanna hit one unit with everything at once and nuke the crap out of it?
Plan was actually with such a maneuverable army to get around and take off the smaller stuff while holding up the big things with the dragon. He should do enough to win combats and if I put him into the right combats it shouldn't be against stuff that can hurt him.
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That actually sounds like Tictacs, are they allowed? I thought everyone just had to push it forwards and roll dice.
Update 6!
Thank you for your patience, normal service will resume shortly... In the meantime please enjoy our feature presentation, Reservoir (d)Ogs!
Hello, hello, hello and welcome to what is clearly a very long overdue update on this rather shabby looking blog.
Firstly I would like to apologise for my apparent departure from the world of the interwebs.
Maybe I should explain.
I used to live in a cosy house in Clapham with ultra-fast broad band, I am currently residing in a spare room at my uncle's house. My uncle is very nice, but is also quite old and as such does not own a computer. Due to this rather alarming computer shortage he therefore has no use for the internet. So I am reduced to using a rather battered looking USB dongle with its very sloooow internet connection.
This is ok, as I can still make updates, post etc, however it does take a little bit of time to warm up!
Anyway, ramblings and excuses about my life aside what have I been up to I hear you all not asking.
Well, I have recently been exposed to a new game. Warmachine, or is it Hordes? Or is it Warmahordes? Or even Whoremachine?! Really, 2 games that are completely compatible, I do wonder why privateer press didn't just make it 1 game and be done with it!
Anyway, I have recently had an intro game at this rather amusing system (Thank you Jack) and have to say I can see why people are playing it. It does seem like a lot of fun, so I shall over the next few weeks be trying to play some games and get a firmer grasp on the rules.
I have also seen that the Bloodbowl season is nearly upon us with my 1st round game up against Raf and his chaos warriors. Rather large number of bash teams this season may mean that very quickly my lightly armoured Norse are lying in a puddle of internal organs, ah well, should be fun at least.
But on to the core of this update.
I have done absolutely no modelling or painting!
I have however ordered myself some rather snazzy movement trays and bases from the internet, got some cork board on the way too and hopefully can pick up my dragon princes from Ol in the not too distant future as well.
All of these very exciting developments hopefully will mean that I can soon do some modelling and post some pretty pictres for you all to admire.
In the meantime, please feel free to imagine how stupid my army is going to be!
And just to sign off, we had a discussion at the club the other night stemming from a supposed dressing up idea for tournaments. I think it's vanquish people are going as Reservoir (d)Ogs and it got people ( well, probably just me to be honest) of other movie titles that could be corrupted and used as future fancy dress ideas.
The Good, the Bad and the Ogly?
BraveOg?
Ogatar?
Can anyone else think of some?!
How about OGfellas?
Star wars: Return of the OGi
Lord of the OGs
Just for Ol of course there's Ol Knesebeck's Day off!
Well there's:
OGma
The OG Lebowski
OG to the Future
Well done you managed to fill up a whole post without having done any painting or assembling. You are learning well young student!
OG Trek and wear the classic star trek shirts. The players who lose a lot and get their armies butchered should wear the red tops in the spirit of the show. You could change the comms badge from the starfleet insignia to a fancy OG symbol.
Quote from: cunningmatt on February 05, 2012, 09:16:40 pm
Well done you managed to fill up a whole post without having done any painting or assembling. You are learning well young student!
I have been studying hard. Although there is a lot to study
Oh and very off topic, but how the hell was Davies not sent off?! If I'd done that in a game I'd be charged with assult!
Quote from: noahtonkin on February 05, 2012, 11:46:24 pm
I have been studying hard. Although there is a lot to study
Haha very true. Next lesson how to upload 600 pictures in a post and crash everyone's browser!
Update 7!
I've got an important announcement too...
So, after today and yesterday's rallying round matt's latest announcement (really, congrats on that mate, can't imagine it was easy to tell parents and probably equally tricky thinking how to phrase it to the OG world as well. Although, if you think about it, us wargamers are probably in quite an understanding position. Most of us have kept our plastic crack addiction form someone and then having to explain that you're skint and can't do something important because you spent all your money on little plastic toys is quite difficult too. Not in the same league of course, but with a degree of empathy you can sort of imagine the inner turmoil.)...
I've got an important announcement too.
Honestly, this really isn't that I'm despirately seeking any form of attention or anything...
Unfortunately for the burgeoning gay scene at the club (just wait, Ol will have Right Said Fred on the iPod soon), it's not that.
If you want to borrow it Ol I've got their greatest hits on iTunes
It is in fact that I've been shopping and buying important stuff for this mental project of mine.
By important stuff as you shall see from the following images, very little is actually related to my high elf army.
Purchase number 1.
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Sorry.
I'm City 'till I die and may be found singing the odd chorus of Old Faithful every now and then now the super league has kicked off and I don't have a misses demanding I spend my precious weekends with her rather than in the sensible pursuit of watching grown men roll around in the mud. Err, yes, quite.
Purchase number 2....3, 4 5 and 6.
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So after a very kind intro from Jack, and ages lamenting the shortcomings of warhammer I've given in and popped my Hordes cherry.
Actually quite liked it.
Am certainly used to keeping track of multiple wounds and spell effects from the Ogres, so that's nothing new, and it seemed like a crazy and quirkey game.
I've gone for Circle (for those who don't know the system) Really like the less cartoony look of them, just waiting some cards, counters and a Gorox (think big ugly gorilla) and then can have a think about how to get to what seems like the standart 35 point game level.
As some of the more astute of you may have noticed there is infact 1 purchase visible that IS for my high elf army.
That of a roll of cork.
Roll on (pun intented) the bases and it'll be magma galore!
I do however need a bit of advice on how to stick it. Do I use PVA or some other weird and wonderful glue? Answers please (looking at you lee as the resident cork expert)
On the way through the miracle of the post are also a ton of seaguard, the plastic IoB mage and the bits to make 5 more high elf noble riders (really, 12 just isn't enough, people might not get the theme!)
I'm also waiting to pick up 2 boxes of dragon princes from Mr Ol next time I can make the club, and then, on with the show it will be!
to stick cork to the bases, I tend to use superglue, as I'm impatient and want to get painting straight away!
Quote from: noahtonkin on February 08, 2012, 09:02:44 pm
So, after today and yesterday's rallying round matt's latest announcement (really, congrats on that mate, can't imagine it was easy to tell parents and probably equally tricky thinking how to phrase it to the OG world as well. Although, if you think about it, us wargamers are probably in quite an understanding position. Most of us have kept our plastic crack addiction form someone and then having to explain that you're skint and can't do something important because you spent all your money on little plastic toys is quite difficult too. Not in the same league of course, but with a degree of empathy you can sort of imagine the inner turmoil.)...
....On the way through the miracle of the post are also a ton of seaguard, the plastic IoB mage and the bits to make 5 more high elf noble riders (really, 12 just isn't enough, people might not get the theme!
Hush now, I'm feeling awkward, particularly as I'm not gay I just said it to up the number of page impressions - worked a treat. Don't tell anyone.
Moving on.
So how many Seaguard is a tonne, thinking I should up my unit?
Quote from: cunningmatt on February 08, 2012, 09:37:49 pm
So how many Seaguard is a tonne, thinking I should up my unit?
Well, have bought 3 lots of the IoB ones off a bits site.
so taking out the 2 lots of spare command this leaves 24, which is a slight problem as I need 27. Will have to think of something, maybe a bolt thrower as a unit filler...
Standard bearer should easily be coverted, and you can do stuff to the musician easily enough- mine is pointing. He's very rude.
Quote from: noahtonkin on February 08, 2012, 10:37:31 pm
Well, have bought 3 lots of the IoB ones off a bits site.
so taking out the 2 lots of spare command this leaves 24, which is a slight problem as I need 27. Will have to think of something, maybe a bolt thrower as a unit filler...
Yeah As Dan says the Standard Bearers are no different to the normal models (the spears are separate for all of them, and he just has a banner rather than a spear).
Cool I think I need to up to a similar kind of size.
Oh and by the way Right Said Fred!! I've f**king come out not plunged into a time warp back into 1989. Pleeeasssee!! :wink;m::
I'm so proud... You will get the Hordes bug...... You will love it.
Shame you picked the wrong faction though :(
However I do very much like killing Skinwalkers so that's a bonus!!! :)
Woohoo, I'm so glad you liked the intro - you'll definitely get addicted to Hordes after playing a few bigger games. I certainly have! Perhaps aiming for a 25pt list is a good way to start, that's how I learnt the game.
Circle are really fun to play, don't listen to Stevo ;-) he just hates them for some reason!
Quote from: jackhoneysett on February 09, 2012, 08:39:58 am
Circle are really fun to play, don't listen to Stevo ;-) he just hates them for some reason!
There appear to be a lot of things Stevo hates for some reason! :wink;m::
Quote from: cunningmatt on February 09, 2012, 08:41:49 am
There appear to be a lot of things Stevo hates for some reason! :wink;m::
I'm sure I've been on that list at various times...! Probably on Tuesday, when I produced one of Jimbo's broken kiwi dice during his game and lent it to Stevo's opponent!
Quote from: jackhoneysett on February 09, 2012, 09:20:01 am
I'm sure I've been on that list at various times...! Probably on Tuesday, when I produced one of Jimbo's broken kiwi dice during his game and lent it to Stevo's opponent!
Haha, brilliant! I bet that made Stevo's night. However, I also hate Circle, all Stealthy and annoying like. Just stand there and get shot ffs!
Quote from: Meals on February 09, 2012, 09:35:50 am
Haha, brilliant! I bet that made Stevo's night.
It certainly did not!!! At least I crushed my opponent so all was good in the end!
Noah, nice to see you playing Circle, they are good and Jack can give you plenty of tips, 25 is great to learn, but as the game is brutal there is always getting a couple of games in 1 night.
I would get Kromac soon and make Jack cry a little on the inside, wink.
Well as one does when you start a new game you not only go 'Ooo shiney' about the stuff you bought but also start looking at the other stuf... pirates, and warjacks that lok like divers...maybe, just maybe...
Quote from: noahtonkin on February 09, 2012, 12:42:39 pm
Well as one does when you start a new game you not only go 'Ooo shiney' about the stuff you bought but also start looking at the other stuf... pirates, and warjacks that lok like divers...maybe, just maybe...
Only room for 1 pirate player at the club and that's me...
Sorry
Update 8!
The Sound of Silence....
Goooood afternoon ladies and Jellyspoons,
First of all my sincerest appologies for the slight hiatus in recent updates with regards to this fin (!?) blog.
I could bore you with excuses and say i've been spending my time elbow deep in dying people trying despirately to save their vague grasp on life, however 1. you probably wouldnt be interested, and 2. this simply isn't true.
In actual fact I'v spent my recent weeks frantically filling out paperwork because my collegues have forgotten to spend their time elbow deep lah blah blah, and as such a rather worryingly alrge number of people have had to be referred to the coroner's office (boo! no crem forms)
But I digress, as is the want of a good blog I'm sure.
Today's update comes to you from a very muddled mnd post night shifts,
however nights do have a benefit.
It's too far to drive home, so I comondeered one of the on call rooms, this means I have nothing to do with the 3-4 hours between waking up mid afternoon and starting work.
This all leads too....Hobby time!
So with my time booked off (except one day in the gym, not a good idea on 3 hours sleep...) I set about working on my stupid looking high elf army.
Step 1.
build baes.
I started with some sarissa mdf bases.
mnagnetised them, then set about drawing pretty paterns on them which I would later over lay with cork...
a short time later, I started sticking cork to them, job done!
here's a few pics of them.
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This took me a lot longer than I thought and made one hell of a mess!
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Step 2.
Attaching models to bases.
I started off with a nice shiney old school high elf bowman....
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/IMG_0140-1.jpg)
next stage was to chop off the ittle tab thing underneath, leaving a small spur to use as a pin...
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then drilled a hole in the cork base (drilled or bored? am not really sure)
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Next stage was nice and simple... superglue meet model and base....
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Done!
Rinse and repeat 9 more times and 20 mins later we have a fullly ranked up unit on their own little peice of lava (well, it will be when painted.)
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This process I then repeated with the other bowman unit,
the unit of seaguard (am still 4 short, so there are 4 spare bases at the back...) and attached mage.
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/IMG_0128.jpg)
Also the 3rd unit of dragon princes.
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/IMG_0127.jpg)
the 1st 2 units are already undercoated, so I am going to spray the bases before attaching them.
Here are some pretty pics of it all done...
I also rebased both dragons.
1 has only been sprayed black, so he got stuck to his base, the other has had the base built, but as I've already started painting him the sticking on wll again happen when the base is undercoated.
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After seeing Lee's finely painted lava bases I got inspired.
On both dragon bases are 2 cunningly hidden little holes, whcih coincidentally fit a dice each, one for rider, one for mount...
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And so, a week on nights later the army is (almost) fully based and ready for the painting pot. Worryingly I had actually planned on painting the seaguard this week, but the effort of basing really took it's tole, so that will get left for a later time...probably the week before south coast!
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Toodle pip Chaps.
good work! really coming together well as an army. the wound marker dice in the base idea is genius: genually like that!
keep it up buddy! :thumbsup:
Looking really good, I love the cunningly concealled dice holes. Amazing!
Hope to see them all painted up, when you've had some sleep! Plus do you get odd looks at work with all whole box of model toys to play with?
Quote from: cunningmatt on March 09, 2012, 01:07:42 pm
Plus do you get odd looks at work with all whole box of model toys to play with?
At least when he superglues his fingers together and/or to the desk and/or cuts the end of one of them off he'll be in the right place to get them patched up :)
Quote from: cunningmatt on March 09, 2012, 01:07:42 pm
Plus do you get odd looks at work with all whole box of model toys to play with?
Noah's actually an inpatient on the psych wing, he'd get odd looks from the mirror if they let him have one :viking:
Seriously, love the bases and the wound counter idea is great. It wil be an imposing army to look at with two big dragons and all that cav when it's painted.
Haha, very funny.
Well, I dont go running through the corridors shouting "Geek coming through!!!"
Tend to have everything safely packed away.
Yeah, painting, that's going to be interesting...In fact really need to get on and start doing some, SCGT is probably in only a month or so now.
Yay! I count as inspiration!
Do you get to play with zappy paddles where you shout clear a lot? If so have you ever ,as a group of doctors, shocked someone for a laugh? (i say as a group so that it is clearly not incriminating yourself which might result in getting struck off were the wrong people to find out). Also how many times have you connected yourself to a drip after a big night out on the beers?
SCGT is 5-6 weeks off if memory serves as my one relevant addition to the conversation.
The GMC looks down on such things with distain, so therefore I have never done either...
5 weeks, bloody hell. too much to paint, really should pull finger out and get on shouldnt I.
Yes Lee, you and of course Matt are my heroes, Matt for his blogging prowess and ability to talk utter crap about anything, and you for your tactics at warhammer....
So,
A quick update.
Drybrushing gold is sending me insane.
For a bit of a break I've been building some space marines.
Here's a few quick picks of my sanguinary priests.
Currently blutacked together, am waiting on some chest plates to use instead.
I'm also going to magnetise the arms so can switch out weapons.
So without further ado...
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'drybrushing gold is driving me insane' so you decided to build blood angels who include the sanguinary guard, who wear gold armour... Through realise these are priests who I've normally seen end up in red.
I know.
The joys of being colourblind.
All my models contain only a few colours. Gold, black, red and grey. I can tell those apart!
Was more a break from scrubbing and a chance to build some stuff.
Ahh I see. There seems to be a fair number of gamers who have varying degrees of colour blindness that I've chatted painting with recently:
Sean Gill, Chris Appleford, Dan Heelan, Dale Johnston and I'll now add you to that list.
So is that the approach you find works best, just stick to those you're able to work with most easily?
certainly is.
i know they work ok together, well, at least they do to me.
bored with painting gold, so built a phoenix dragon guard. realised the capes are massive, was going to make the command squad, but need some 20mm bases to make sure they fit, so only the 1 a the moment.
I know it doesnt look like much work, but the body on the phoenix guard has a little peg going upwards, the dragon prince head doesnt have the rescess, so it was a bit of carving up to make it work.
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/IMG_0170.jpg)
Looks cool, I had a similar peg-based problem mixing my White Lions with their chariot-riding counterparts.
Not too much of an issue. Just annoying really.
Anyway. After being driven insane by hours of Drybrushing gold...
(http://img.tapatalk.com/518c0ad5-6a11-2960.jpg)
Love 'em! Can't wait to see a fully painted unit - Bring on the Gold!
Ah insanity, you cruel mistress.
Just done all the flesh on my army.
thankfully there's lots of armour so not too much flesh, just faces and hands on the archers.
thank god for seasick steve, only thing getting me through 65 elf models in what will now be less than a week!
unfortunately those dragon guard are sitting on my desk teasing me to build more/start painting them!
Seen him live :D
got his live set from reading, its ace
Saw him live at Reading
Update 9!
Dum de dum dum dum dum...(to countdown music)
Good afternoon ladies and gents.
So with a mere 6 days until south coast I decided it was time to break out the paints and get on with this insane army.
As some of you may have seen I have been procrastinating some what recently...
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But today I decided it was time to get on and paint.
My initial plan had been to do all of 1 colour over the whole army.
This soon fell through as I realised I don't have enough mechrite red, let alone all the other colours.
So I decided to do a unit at a time, starting with a unit of archers.
Currently I'm waiting to wash and final highlight them (trust me, the brush marks on the gold disappear more...)
But here are some semi finished pictures.
The white weapons will of course be dulled down by a wash, also disguising the horrid brush marks.
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/IMG_0178.jpg)
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Something I have learnt is to do the bases and movement tray together, getting the colours miixing at the right point.
I tried a bit of wet blending, didn't really work as yellow is a biatch of a colour to paint and all my attempts left streaky brush marks, there is a little bit here though...
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Unit 2 about to be begun....
Looking good Noah, keep it up! I really like the basing, should look awesome once the army is finished
And now we have 2 units....
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Another day, another unit.
Sea Guard and Mage. Based and dipped. Going to get the whole lot to this level then if time hi light.
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Well done mate (or should I say sugar? ;)) looking sweet!
I'm 30 odd Ungor and 20 Bestigor away now.
Looking good Noah, plenty of time to wrap it all up! :thumbsup:
Well 2 half days of painting. Weds I've got a meeting with one of my old bosses about jobs, thurs will be down the club. But all that's left now is 15 dragon princes and 2 dragons. If I get time I'll gloss the bases to make them look more volcanic, then really pushing it to hi light it all, do that may get left. Still, 3 colours minimum and all nice and coherent. Had to pop into local hobby craft to buy them out of Devlan mud and mechrite red!
Top notch speedy stuff, I'm well impressed.
Bleh!
Knackered and bored of painting.
3 units done, just need basing.
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Only 2 dragons left to paint.
Am actually thinking of painting 1 black and red (a la Drogon) and one cream and yellow (a la Viserion)
Woohoo!
They look awesome Noah!
PS where abouts St Mary's do you want me to meet you? I'm mostly familiar with the A&E department, being a regular visitor who's more or less entitled to his own mug
Looking good. 48 hours to paint 2 dragons? Easy..... :endit:
outstanding effort buddy! keep going :thumbsup:
5 minuets to let the last layer dry, then pics coming of the whole bloody lot!
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A few days and a hell of a lot of red, and here we are. The Targarien Host!!!
Good job buddy! Now go win South Coast!
Nah I'm winning soo... ;)
Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh!
Congratulations - a great looking result and speedily done (unlike my 2 year High Elf project... oh dear!)!!
Update 10!
Veeerrry sleeeeepyyyy
Afternoon chaps.
So, as you can all see from my crazy crazy pics I somehow managed to get me army built and painted in time for the south coast gt.
Slightly mental painting schedule towards the end but hey ho got it done.
So just a little round up of how things went and were I'm going with this ramble now.
South Coast.
Friday. Army finished and in the case, nice comfortable drive down to portsmouth was ruined by Hale bringing, well hale! (the meteorological event that is)
Thats twice I've given Tom a lift and both times it's been shitty weather on the journey! If it happens a 3rd time someones doing it on purpose....
Friday night was nicely chilled.
Gave mark Borland a game with his wood elf raaaagh list (not the list he took to this I might add). Details are a touch sketchy for the whole weekend to be honest... Vaguely remember shoving it all forward and treemen being harder than dragon princes.
Lots of drinking later went to bed.
Saturday.
Game 1 vs Ben de Bosdari. with tomb kings:
Played this guy before, in my last 2 dayer in fact.
Last time up was ogres vs warriors and he got the win so out for revenge this time!
Having played ol recently I thought this could be an ok game. Skull catapult is flaming so I get a 2+ ward on the lord and princes at least.
Bens army however had a necrosphinx. Interesting.
As I said, details a little sketchy.
Stand off on the left with necro and 6 chariots vs 5dp and lord. Ended up with him failing a charge needing a 10, I put the dps in and took the chariots off, lord went in to his warsphinx and ground him out. Dps reformed and his the necro in the flank after archers had take. A couple of wounds off. On my right I gave him 2 units of dps for his snakes to eat, which pulled them off and then kept them out of the game. Caskets 1st go rolled 12 hits of the Mage, killed the guy on top and the dragon failed his reaction, going grrrr and standing there like a lemon to get shot. With some combats and overruns I ended up with dps in the flank of his bunker with his bsb and 2level 4s, lord in the rear. Wiped the unit out over 2 rounds of combat but the lord who had taken some damage from the warsphinx got his last sound taken off by stupid skelingtons.
Had ben seriously considered throwing a purple sun through his 3 characters to try and kill my dragon. But he decided risking his 3 I 1 characters to try and get an I3 dragon wasn't the best plan.
In the end the unit popped. Dragon then charged the casket and the knights reformed to charge the rear of a chariot unit.
Like a chump I did the casket combat 1st, killed it, the explosion then killed 3 out of the 5 knights meaning I couldnt do enough to pop the chariots.
Ended up with Ben having his snakes and a block of chariots left, with me having lost 2 dps, the mage and the general. 16-4 win to me!
Game 2 was vs Ian Sturgess and High Elves. His "unconventional" built was big block of Dps with 3 characters, 50 spears, 35 white lions and a level 4 with hoeth on beasts. He got amber spear and turn 1 irresistibled a big amber spear at my mages dragon, dead dragon. Turn 2 rinse and repeat vs the lord, 1 wound left on the dragon.
Had got 3 knights in a position to get 2 flanks and a rear charge on the white lions, chucked the dragon in as well. Left 3 alive but he chopped up all of the dps and obviously killed the dragon as well. Have nothing that can stop knights with a ward vs flaming, so they ran over my core. 20-0 loss. Have no idea what I could have done other than stuck it in a corner, but even then he would have got to me turn 3-4. As it was more time to get to the bar.
Game 3 vs Andy Mathews (I think. I was quite drunk) and ogres.
2 cannons, 5 MF, 2 MF, 2 cats, 2 firebellys, guts and ogres.
He got 1st turn despite my +2. MF went strait up the middle and tore out the core turn 2. 1 chance at searing doom, no 66, scroll. Cannons took off the Mage turn 1 but 1 misfired and could no longer shoot.
Hilight was him casting flaming sword on a cannon then shooting my general... Dragon armour ho! Lord then charged his bulls and characters, he then tried to cast flaming sword on them too! But unfortunately failed to cast. Lord took off the bulls, overran and got an iron blaster, but MF turned round and chomped through the dps.
Ended up with the lord left, but all I got was some mfs, bulls and an ironblaster. 19-1 loss.
Saturday night got quite messy. A bunch of us went for a curry which I think is the only reason I wasn't passed out.
Sunday morning.
Feeling rough, and I had dwarfs.
James Henley I think.
He deployed his whole army, 2 rocklobbers, cannon, ironbreakers, warriors and 2xGW crossbows ins space the size of a sheet of a4.
Had I been sensible I would have stuck it all in 1 corner, let him hit the dragons then bailed the characters out into units, gave him a 16-4.
As it was it was me. Thought if I stick it all forward can go over the top turn 2 then into the soft squishy stuff. Again, failed to get turn 1. By the start of my turn 2 no toys, but had already committed. 20-0. No vps. Booooo!
Game...err...5?
Vs James Morgan (again, hazy on details) with beasts.
2 blocks of gor, 2 mino blocks. Lvl 4 on shadows. Baby chariot. He got turn 1 but if I'd won the roll I'd have given him it anyway. He rushed forward.
I pulled all 3 dps to an 11 charge for his minos and about a 10 for his gor. Jumped both dragons over his lines lining up either side of his lvl 4. Ruby ring for a cheeky 2 wounds. Tried the little breath, but nothing. His turn he dropped my dragon to t3 and stuck the lvl 4 into the gor surrounded by my dps. Had planned on 3 princes and the dragon charging his gor, but at t3 and not confident of enough dice to stop it the dragon instead charged the chariot.
Combat, massacred the gor but steadfast on an 8, fine. Took out the lvl4 though. Dragon bashed the chariot to bits, but could t stop the t3.
Then put dragon into gor, finished them off, overran into minos, beasted them (no champ to challenge me out) again held but got them in his round. Finally decided to give it a bash and put both dragons into the final Minos with bsb and general in. Forgot the potion of strength this turn though. Challange taken by the Mage, who quickly died. Monster reaction failed (on a 10!) grrrr, so unbreakable. Won this round but fluffed next. General fled but other dragon was alive on 1 wound. Rallied in my turn, he ate the dragon. Charged in again with dps and lord. Drank potion this time! Challange with doombull who had ram helm, since I'm s7, thought will give it a go. Did 5 wounds but he wards them up. Dps massacre the unit again but still some left and kill 1 so don't break his steadfast. His turn and again I fluff. Both flee but he fails to catch lord. Last turn have no more to throw in so try shooting and magic. Nope. 1 mino on 1 wound. 16-4 to me, a lot of points left in that 1 measly wound!
Game 6. Really can't remember much, Goblins. (not Ben, so that will narrow it down) must have been Dan Tunbridge.
Got turn 1, dragons survived the rocklobbers. Terrorbombed his massive unit of goblins, fled through whole army, but passed led tests. Unfortunately they ran the other side of my dragon.2x Dps took out the giant. Then 1 unit got flanked by squigs, lost on static alone. Fled on an 8. Panicked the other unit on a 9. Both units and the whole side gone. Dragon charged a troll, overran into a chariot. Ate the chariot in his round and overran into the generals unit who had charged my dps. Drank potion and challenged. He took it with the general, 6 wounds, none saved on 6s and 5s. He does 1 on the dps though so again steadfast. Passes on bsb reroll. Next round challenged out bsb. Killed him and the unit. Turned around to take a charge from night goblins standing behind. 3 wounds in the Challange, fled on static, but didn't flee off the board. Got 4 turns in so I did some silly things as not thinking odds through. Ended up 11-9 to me.
Over all great weekend.
Had lots of very nice comments about the army. Even more so when people said "so how long did it take?" and were very surprised when I said 3ish days!
Had gone in saying wanted 1 not loss. After game 1 I had to readjust! In the end would have been happy with an average of 6-7. As it was got 44, so just above 7, which considering I had 3 non events I think is quite good!
Having just had a look through the scores to find my opponents names I've realised that the difference between me and a lot of people a long way up isn't huge.
I ended up with 3 winds 3 losses, quite a lot of other people didn't have a better ratio.
The difference of course is the losses. 2 20-0s and a 19-1.
Thinking about the games I could have played cadgy vs the dwarf player and he'd have not got the 20. vs the high elves I'm not sure. he'd have got into me no matter what, but I guess If i'd made him come to me then I might have been able to pick up points for some characters. knew his mage was on foot and had the spear. could have stuck all the ocre in 1 side, all the knights the other and then put both dragons where his infantry wasn't
Again, vs andy's ogres could have played matadore and give him the 800 pts of core, but kept the rest well away. Learning slowly. If I had another event next weekend I'd play differently, but I guess that's why the guys who go to lots win lots.
Need to toy with the list. Not so sure the lvl 2 metal is worth much. Might go for a BSB on a baby dragon (ie eagle)...
However next up is Milton Keynes. Which is tempest style comp, so all mounted high elves... If I can borrow some silver helms I've got some Reavers to paint up anyway......,
So everyone, 1 tournament down, time to look towards the next.
Roll Call Cranfield is in june. so plenty of time away. ie plenty of time for me to toy around with a list, end up taking the 1st list i write anyway and then paint it all 3 days before hand...
The comp they're using is a fairly hard comp, but High elves get Silver Helms and Ellyrion Reavers as core. They also get free command in both units.
So obviously it's dragon time again!
However at 1600 points no lords it's a bit tricky.i either had the option of a singgle dragon mage.
Or 2 nobles on eagles and count them as baby dragone (something else I need a suggestion for btw. I know there are the gw drakes, but they llook crap in my opinion. anyonee else know of any decent small dragon models?)
Decided I might go with this list....
General on eagle/baby dragon
charmed shield, Radient gem of Hoeth- high magic. dragon armour, halberd
195
BSB (i know, but the number of points I could have saved with a reroll of that ld test was unbelievable! plus the metal mage did bugger all anyway) on eagle/baby dragon
Armour of caledor (2+ dragon armour), opal amulet, halberd.
204
5 reavers, bows and spears. 105. free full command
5 reavers, bows and spears. 105. free full command
5 reavers, bows and spears. 105. free full command
5 reavers, bows and spears. 105. free full command
5 dragon princes. musician, champ. Ruby Ring. 205
6 dragon princes. Full Command. Amulet of light (magical attacks). Mvt banner. 255
6 dragon princes. Full command. Terror mask, Banner of Ellyrion. 270
Eagle. 50
comes to 1599.
would have liked to have got GWs on the characters, but couldnt fit them in.
Thoughts? Ideas?? Comments on how i've clearly gone insane?!
Morning everyone.
So after a fun weekend I'm sure you've all read/heard about I decided to have a quick read through the rule book re "Impact-gate" I obviously knew the bit that said you did do impact hits but had never seen this counter bit.
For those who haven't heard what happened. Ol overran in his turn with a unit of chariots into a unit of night goblins. He then got flank charged by a unit of orcs. They weren't sure if nets or impact hits went 1st and were looking it up when saw the rule below. Got a rules judge over who said that by that it looks like you don't get impact hits. I heard about it later and knew it was wrong, checked the rule about overrunning and went and showed Ol, who then showed the judges. There was then an announcement day 2 to say that in this situation you do do impact hits.
So. Under the impact hits special rule it says "impact hits are only made on the turn the model charges into close combat. If the model is itself charged or is fighting in a second round of cc then this rule gives no benefit. If the model did not complete the charge for some reason then no impact hits take place"
This seems to say if you get charged then you don't do impact hits.
The only situation where both sides charged only occours when you over run but this appears to be saying you would not get impact hits.
However under 'pursuit into a new enemy' it says "this might result in both sides having charging units in the same fight, in which case the charging units on both sides will get the normal bonuses for charging (eg causing impact hits, lance bonus etc...)"
So this seems to be a direct counter. But, since it does specifically say both units charging, both do impact hits it sounds like my logic was valid.
I think the impact hits but is just badly worded and is ment to say you don't do impact hits if you don't charge. This is different to you don't do impact hits if you are charged as we've seen.
However, I can't see anywhere that it says you wouldn't in Ol's situation be able to allocate hits on the orcs in the flank. It just says if you charged all models in b2b, if 2 units split and randomise any unequal. Would need to read the TK rule about strength too to find out how it would affect that.
Don't you just love rules queries!
Coming on from that I thought I'd check up on the rules for ridden monsters (as its a large mart of my army!) and also for war machines (as that's what kills a large part of my army!)
I'd be interested to know what people thought to these before looking in the book, it's surprising how often you get things not quite right!
I'll put up the answer and any reasoning later.
So, some scenarios.
1. Ridden monster hit by a cannon. Who gets hit? How strong? And who would a charmed shield save?
2. Same question, but for a bolt thrower/amber spear?
3. Same again but for a stone thrower? 1st under the hole, secondly if clipped?
4. Ridden monster in a challenge and the character is killed, do they stay in a challenge or is it over as the monster isn't a character?
Finally 5. Monster reaction next to general, who's Ld? And can you use a BSB reroll?
Enjoy!
Here's my thoughts at responses, not checked the rulebook at all.
1. Both rider and monster get hit by cannon, both S10. Rider gets a charmed shield save.
2.Bolt throwers is randomised to see whhich part is hit, profile strength, if rider is hit, gets a charmed shield
3. Stone thrower (under the hole), randomise to see which part is hit by the hole, other part is hit by lower strength. rider gets charmed shield vs the hit on them.
Stone thrower (clipped) both parts hit at lower strength, rider gets a charmed shield
4. Monster fights the combat out then detaches from the challenge? (not sure)
5. Monster reaction test is on the monster's unmodified Ld
Can use a BSB reroll
Horribly I agree with Palmer on all points!!! Urgh......
Booyeah, rules guru and annoying steve, good start to the day!
Quote from: maelzch on April 24, 2012, 09:22:55 am
Booyeah, rules guru and annoying steve, good start to the day!
No idea if we are right... That's just what I thought the answers were!!! Have to say though after SCGT I'm confident we know the rules better than most people!
I find it really bed the number of people, including 'top' players who don't know chunks of the rules!
Hmm, agree all points from Lee but the last. I'd assume Monster can use Generals LD, and BSB re-roll. Having said that, I have no idea
Again i'd agree with Lee although i vaguely remember there might be something in the Monster Reaction test that states that the monster takes the test against his own leadership.
Palmer in 'knowing the rules' shock!
I agree as well... not sure in 4 whether the monster detaches instantly or at the end of the round.
60% of the time I'm right all the time!
Palmer in rules shocker! :daredulerules:
Yup, all bar the challenge one right.
The monster actually fights out the challenge, even though it isn't a character. Obviously can't then challenge or be challenged again but the rule book says that the mount continues to fight in the challenge until it or it's foe is slain (or flees)
Interesting one for Ol is that characters on chariots follow rules for ridden monsters too, so if by some miracle someone killed the king, survived the curse and the chariot was still alive by my reading they're locked in to the challenge with the kings chariot.
The one I didn't know was the stone thrower under the hole bit. I thought both took the s10 d6 wounds bit, will remember that in future, effectively gives my dragon a 5+ against the d6 wounds.
Huh, so I was close with the monster challenge one. Good to know for my manticore!
Yup. Fantastic when your fail the reaction, get grrrr and are up against something unkillable but that's only s4 or something.
Quote from: noahtonkin on April 24, 2012, 11:23:53 am
so if by some miracle someone killed the king, survived the curse and the chariot was still alive by my reading they're locked in to the challenge with the kings chariot.
Really not sure about that one, but then again the chariot is normaly the first thing to go.....
Course, cos it's easy combat res. But rules are it counts as a ridden monster, ridden monsters continue to fight in a challenge once the rider is killed.
where's the monster reaction on it's own leadership? I only read it as being a leadership test, therefore can use general/bsb.
Mini rule book page 106. Take a ld test on the monsters own Ld.
So, after 3 days trawling the bet trying to find some decent dragon models I came across an idea.
The army is sort of caledor/Targaryen themed.
House Targaryen's banner is this...
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So why not do 3 headed dragons!
Easy enough I recon with the dark elf hydra. Plus in fail cast I should be able to bend the bugger about easily.
Then I saw the price...£40!
Hmm, might have to try and pick up a cheap metal one off eBay.
Could anyone strip it if I do? My last attempt at stripping went horribly wrong...
I think I've got a metal hydra kicking about unbuilt if you wanted it for mates rates dude? £15ish?
Hydra heads combined with the new Dark Elf dragon could make for an ace (though not cheap) three headed dragon
if you have buddy that would be amazing, can then get a-chopping and see what i can do with it.
I know they come on a chariot base, does anyone know if they'd fit on a 50x50?
Quote from: maelzch on April 25, 2012, 10:41:25 am
Hydra heads combined with the new Dark Elf dragon could make for an ace (though not cheap) three headed dragon
did you mean hydra heads on the dragon or dragon heads on the Hydra?
1st one might look a bit small. second one, well, bits sites are my friends currently!
The new DE dragon heads are the same as the hydra heads
Noah, you've missed a trick. If you're going for the Tagaryan dragons with all cav, surely the cavalry should be the Dothraki Hordes?
Could do.
Have now got enough that what ever tournament I go to I can use what I have painted, going to do the rest a bit at a time and drop it into the army, so guy on hydra dragon 1st so I have 2 heros I can use as on eagles (how big is an eagle base btw? 50 or 40?)
Do need to think of some way to do actual eagles rather than eagle riders.
going to have some spare hydra heads so could do something with them, what to use as bodies though.
Also, slightly random but are we getting OG dice did I hear?
If so where are you getting them from? Wonder if I could add an order for some custom dice too it... with, obviously, this as the symbol....
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/250px-House_Targaryen.png)
A character on an eagle is a 50 mm base, an eagle on its own is 40 mm
Have you seen this?
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/WARPFIRE_DRAGON.html
Bit to chaosy for my liking.
So, after Lees suggestion that if I'm doing Targaryen then I should do a dothraki hoard to go with I'm at a bit of a difficult choice.
If when the next high elf book comes out they put some form of cav back in core then would certainly do it. But god knows when that's going to be.
If so, AGOT dragons are actually wyverns. Only 2 legs.
Should I do mine as wyverns and bend the !@%$#%@ out of the azhag wyvern to make it rearing up, or stick to the 3 headed dragon idea? Thoughts anyone?!
This is all leading towards a very unfortunate fancy dress costume for Noah "khalessi" Tonkin!
Quote from: maelzch on April 30, 2012, 02:36:07 pm
This is all leading towards a very unfortunate fancy dress costume for Noah "khalessi" Tonkin!
I think we've just found Noah's team OG nickname! :thumbsup:
You fail to grasp my geniusness...
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I still dont...
Oh dear.
Also, I think I've figured out why symbol dice roll more 6s.
They're ever so slightly weighted more towards the 1, so a 6 comes up more.
Reason is if you have a symbol then more of the dice is carved away to make the symbol, making that side lighter. Maybe.
Will see when these bad boys start rolling if it's true. If I win 3 SCGTs on the trot with a double dragon list then clearly its my luck that's changed.
.....Uh oh....
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what, had you not noticed the warning on the side of your cigarettes before?
Or do you now want to be a filthy dark elf player?
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Fairly intimidating...
Awesomeness!!
I'm going to cannon it off turn 1...
Skills!
Model looks great! Sorry if I've lost track, but is this going to be a third Dragon or is it some other beastie?
Quote from: noahtonkin on May 01, 2012, 11:24:58 am
Also, I think I've figured out why symbol dice roll more 6s.
They're ever so slightly weighted more towards the 1, so a 6 comes up more.
Reason is if you have a symbol then more of the dice is carved away to make the symbol, making that side lighter. Maybe.
This will make no difference, bare in mind on a standard dice there's slightly more material carved away from the "6" side as there six dimples not one. To make a dice that truly would break the laws of probability you'd have to actively add weight to the "1" side - not that I am encouraging such foul play.
Quote from: cunningmatt on May 01, 2012, 11:20:11 pm
Model looks great! Sorry if I've lost track, but is this going to be a third Dragon or is it some other beastie?
Plan had been to redo the dragons as these to make them more distinct centre pieces for the army. Going to base it on a 50mm base so I can use it as a guy on eagle or then on a dragon.
However, I'm not sold.
I was 50/50 wether to do 3 headed dragons from hydras or wyverns. Reason being the AGOT dragons are actually wyverns, only 2 legs. In the end I went for the hydra as thought it would be cooler, but for some reason I'm just not loving it.
Maybe because its quite skinny.
Will base and paint this guy and see, but might have a go at tearing up azhag and see how that looks.
If you want a more dragony head to put on Azhag's wyvern, I'm sure there's some in my bits box!
I actually quite like the squat wyvern head.
the reason I went hydra was Im not a fan of the pot belly on the orc warboss wyvern. plus the head on that one really looks a bit special!
the azhag model is gorgeous however. its just not fair! I'm torn!
might ebay search and see if i can get a cheap azhag, then see how it looks, if I dont like it I'm considering an O&G army anyway...
in fact...
black orc boss on wyvern.
orc boss on wyvern
savage orc bsb on boar
savage orc lvl2 on boar
5x10 goblin wolf riders.
15 savage orc boar rider biguns
20 savage orc boar riders.......with a few toys comes to 2400
The Dothraki Hordes!
Quote from: noahtonkin on May 03, 2012, 12:42:02 pm
I actually quite like the squat wyvern head.
the reason I went hydra was Im not a fan of the pot belly on the orc warboss wyvern. plus the head on that one really looks a bit special!
the azhag model is gorgeous however. its just not fair! I'm torn!
might ebay search and see if i can get a cheap azhag, then see how it looks, if I dont like it I'm considering an O&G army anyway...
in fact...
black orc boss on wyvern.
orc boss on wyvern
savage orc bsb on boar
savage orc lvl2 on boar
5x10 goblin wolf riders.
15 savage orc boar rider biguns
20 savage orc boar riders.......with a few toys comes to 2400
Anismosity will do bad things to this.
Having said that, a combo charge of both Wyverns and the Big Un bus might hurt a tad
Do it noah, rarrrgh is the only way! Double dragon(ish) more so!
Last year at Call To War (I think) Dave Sweeting ran double Wyvern and double Arachnorak. Pretty nasty army and beautifully painted which makes getting tabled slightly better, heh.
Quote from: Jal on May 03, 2012, 01:12:58 pm
Anismosity will do bad things to this.
Yeah, but think of the insanity when the whole lot charges forward!!!
Anyway, cannons are more of a worry than animosity.
Also steadfast.
And anything that can actually hit.
And dangerous terrain tests.
And a ld of 6 on all my core.
And the fact I can't really hurt armour.
So all in all animosity is just a mere drop in the ocean!
if you want Finecrap Wyvern, check this out:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/tombrine/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
Do you see that 1 bid so far? Thats me
Aaaand, you've been bumped, well there are 2 bids now, obviously no idea who's winning.
Don't you think I'd have bid more than £1.23?!
So Chaps and chapesses it's time for another update......
Update 11!
If music be the food of love... err, not sure where this is going...
After the franticness of SCGT, followed by a week of horrible night shifts I thought it best to get back on the bus and do some modelling.
No, not that kind, although you may see something similar later in this blog if I have time...
Instead I mean painting/modelling small grey plastic elves and dragons.
As an aside, I stuck my iTunes on random this morning and am amazed at some of the crap I own.
I shall periodically be inserting song title and artist as something classic comes on. Please note, I'm not going to be listening to all of the song if it's bad...
eg, right now Atomic Kitten-Whole Again..WHY!!!
Skip on. Richard Cheese-Nookie. Better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l0IbaOr6go
So project 1 was a new dragon.
This I did by getting my grubby mitts on a brand new but horribly cheap dark elf hydra (seriously, £20 on ebay, bargin!)
It's a failcast model so although it was brand new and not stuck together 2 of the heads were missing, hence the fact it went cheap on ebay probably.
So what I did (really should have taken some WiP pictures shouldn't I...)
Step 1. clean up model.
Step 2. Finecast model meet stupidly hot tap!
So 1st off I stuck the tail and legs on. After this was dry I heated it up under a tap. (Papa Roach-Between Angels and Insects. OLD SCHOOL!!!)
1st I bent the back legs so the hydra was rearing up, then the rest of the legs to match this. unfortunately there's some discrepancy between how low each leg can get, but this'll be easy to sort out with the bases.
Next I bent the tail so that when on a base it wouldn't be past the floor.
Step 2. neck time.
So I selected which necks to use and where to put them. this involved some chopping and changing as the ones I had available weren't designed to go where I wanted them to go. But thankfully this is easy with fine cast.
(Rollin' by Limp Bisket...keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin'. skip on! Riverboat Song-Ocean Colour Scene. Better)
after attaching the heads and necks to the model I broke out the hot water again and started to manipulate the necks to where I wanted them to go.
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A few quick tips.
1. heat the model for a while to make sure it's bendy enough.
2. move it into the position you want by slow constant pressure. trying to suddenly yank it won't work. it takes time.
3. once its in place seal it. Keep hole of the model in the place you want it and run it under cold water. if you let go it'll springback into it's original position.
4. I found the easiest way was multiple small movements rather than trying to make a huge change in 1 go.
Now the model is nice and twisted it's time for some wings.
I had an old set of dragon wings lying around from when 1 of the pegs snapped. I'd tried magnets but just failed. tried pins, same.
in the end bought a set off a bits site but had these lying around.
I drilled some holes in the wings and pinned them to the body, then covered the gaps with green stuff.
they need a second layer of green stuff to sculpt, but that's for a later time.
anyway, here are some pics of the finished product.
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It looks cool. And quite nasty. And was actually surprisingly easy to do.
But for some reason I just don't love it.
I think it looks a bit thin which is a massive shame since it would have been a laugh to pose the heads in lots of different positions.
(The Donnas-It's So Hard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9wlWiCWHm8 Used to be my favorite band. hame they're not together any more. Will warn you, they're not that good, but punk rock all girl band who were quite hot, what's not to love! Plus come from the school of AC/DC lyrics, slight sexual innuendo.... eg. It's so Hard to be on you're own, when you're holding it all alone, and you've been working it to the bone....)
So, I've made the 1 hydra dragon, but am now waiting on an Azhag Wyvern from eBay.
The whole Targaryen Dragon idea is still very much a go. In the AGOT books the dragons have only got 2 legs, not 4, so are effectively wyverns. Hence the plan to get hold of hopefully a chea one and give it a go.
I've also been considering an O&G army as a second project once I flog the Ogres, so if this doesn't work out as well I can always use it in them.
So that's it for dragons, now on to other.
(See above bracket about innuendo lyrics, now got AC/DC-Crabsody in Blue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPZhkBYaJ6I)
In other I have been mostly makeing Ellyrion Reavers.
This Milton Keynes thing coming p uses tempest comp. so revers and silver helms as core.
This lets me do an all mounted army, core being 4x5 reavers. 2 with bows and spears, 2 with just bows.
Only theoryhammer at present but my god does it make for a maeuverable army. vanguard and fast cav means I can effectively redeploy the army before turn 1 if I so choose.
and the joys of fast cav letting me flee, rally and then keep on moving=just what I need!
So as with the other units I've built them up, shaved off mold lines etc then made up some bases and stuck them to the cork.
Need to get down to the club to pick up a few bits and peices to make a musician and SB for each unit, but here's 2 almost done so far....
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OK, so iTunes just went weird. Sam Cooke- Only 16 (about a girl who's 16, obviously), followed by AC/DC Let Me Put My Love Into You (about sex), followed by Sam Cooke, again, Chain Gang (about, well, being on a chain gang, presumably for doing something you shouldn't), followed by AC/DC, again, Jailbreak (which actually has the line 'ain't breaking no rocks on the chain gang'!
I've also chopped the spears off 1 unit. not to tricky a job, especially with plastic models. Here's some comparisons of 2 of the same model from each unit.
The only really annoying thing is the single pose models, but since all my archers are 4th Ed single pose I don;t really see that as a massive issue!
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(It Wasn't Me. Shaggy feat Richardo Ducent... SKIP!!! I See Girls Studio B. I remember this on the music channel when I used to work in a wine bar in york, very funny video, but not really what I want to listen to right now, so SKIP!!! The Hives. Idiot Walk. Acceptable)
So, after a slightly failed modelling project and a couple of units, looks like things are still up and running in the land of dragons.
As an aside if I ever have to do fluff for a tournament (don't think any uk ones do this any more, but just in case) I'd thoguht of saying they were from one of those little islands on the map of where there are high elves. And because there werent any dragons on the island they had tamed the local wyvens
And by using magic They can rebuild them. They do after all have the technology. They can make them better than they were. Better...stronger...faster... (Ie More of a connon magnet....unable to complete charges....and overall fluffier)
Something else I've been up to is dice ordering.
My dice are generally god awful with the exception of the odd game. However I have noticed that the bigger dice i've got as charity dice from tournaments roll slightly better.
Maybe it's just me but supersticion is a cruel misstress.So with this in mind i thought maybe some custom dice to match the army/are bigger anywaymay help. plus it's just more proof of my insanity.
So I sent an email to Chessex about some custom dice. (Nice Guys Finish Last Green Day... Yeah!!!)
Sent them a few designs for some dice not being too sure how much detail they could get.
got an email back with some pics of a sample.
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They look ace, so have ordered a bunch. hopefully it'll be the key to me winning all my future games... Hmm.
(B*Witched C'est La Vie Skip- No, not the dance like them, the song! Monty Python-Always Look On The Bright Side. Hmm. these 2 songs have very similar messages, and yet this I can listen to. strange!)
So there we go everyone.
A slight insight into the kind of crap I get p to when sleep deprived and devoid of normal healthy person human contact.
Tarra for Now!
(Truely Madly Deeply, Savage Garden....AAAAaaaarrrrggghhhh! Skip, skip skip skip!!!! I Just Died I Your Arms Tonight. Cutting Crew. How 80's!!)
PS. Please note. Th above mentioned songs were not all that played, just what I though needed a mention.
I didn;t say how many times soundtracks of Tron, Tron Legacy, Conan...all 3, Starship Troopers, Green Lantern, Ironman (you get the picture) came on.
When You've got 51 days of music including all the Now! albums up until Now! 67 there's bound to be a lot of rap in you're music collection. That and It's an amalgamation of music collected over the past 9 years, covering multiple ex's who had access to my music collection and so added stuff they wanted to listen to because they didn't want to hear repeated plays of Punk Pop, rock, Punk Folk or Dance depending on my current musical tastes
PPS. Do They Know It's Christmas Time Band Aid...SKIP!!!! The History of Everything Barenaked Ladies.Ie Big Bang Theme tune. That's ok.
Quote from: noahtonkin on May 05, 2012, 05:56:25 pm
OK, so iTunes just went weird. Sam Cooke- Only 16 (about a girl who's 16, obviously), followed by AC/DC Let Me Put My Love Into You (about sex), followed by Sam Cooke, again, Chain Gang (about, well, being on a chain gang, presumably for doing something you shouldn't), followed by AC/DC, again, Jailbreak (which actually has the line 'ain't breaking no rocks on the chain gang'!
Does this happen to anyone else? No, just me then.
Am now listening to every song thinking 'what could iTunes play next that's just wrong?
Percy Sledge-When a Man Loves a Woman followed by The Kinks-Lola?....
no it was instead followed by Why Can't We Be Friend's by Smash Mouth (think it's on the soundtrack to Baseketball) Equally funny though!
My ASBO prevents me listing what tracks I'm listening too whilst blogging. But suffice to say I have the Now albums you are missing!
I think the Hydra/Dragon looks great. But if you think it looks too thin, maybe it needs some smaller wings - they are quite dominant on it?
Games Workshop do a load here:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440125a&rootCatGameStyle= (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440125a&rootCatGameStyle=)
Though you may get them cheaper on eBay. I used the Winged Nightmare Wings on my Jabberslythe - they may be a better scale?
WTF?! What happened to all my pics?!
Grr, bloody photobucket.
right, point of this mini rant...
completely forgot about this guy!
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He's plastic so carving up shouldnt be too much of an issue.
Would need a head swap to something more dragony, but the wings shold be easily detachable so transport should be ok too!
thoughts?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat750029a&prodId=prod1500532a
With a more dragony head, that'd be ace!
I have that model and used it to (WIP) make a Jibber Jabber, would make an ace dragon, very Wyvern esque...
So, for those who saw my tweet today.
thought I'd best let people know details.
Current job ends beginning of june. I'll be around london for a bit longer than that.
But clearly I need a job to go to.
As fun as London is (and you lot do make it so) I don't want to stay around here forever.
Need to get my career back on track.
Had an interview yesterday for a 1 year job in A&E in manchester, got a phone call this morning offering me the job.
I'm still waiting on some other interviews but those are all up north as well.
So there we go. I'll be off up north at some point. will still be around and likely to come down for a waagh or 2. plus I'll see you all at tournaments.
Sadface, good for you though buddy!
Oorr...Cornwall? That's where I'm going ;) does anyone else find it funny that on the same page GW have Pegasus wings for £7.20 they advertise a 'have you got' whole Pegasus for £6.65 :)
Will be v sad to see you go buddy, been losing too may orginal Oggers of late :cry:
Shall update soon. But....
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3rd place, that's not even runner up, you losers! :wink;m::
Hey, it's my 1st trophy! Let me be proud for a bit!
So Chaps and chapesses.
A quick update about my highly successful weekend away in plymouth...
So, friday. Unfortunately for me I had been working thursday night, so got to sleep at something stupid like 9 am friday morning.
After a fitful mornings sleep I set off after lunch time, picking up Mr Loyn and one of my team members, James, on the way.
It turns out Plymouth is actually really quite far away, but a sprint down the motorway (nd a stop off at burger king/costa) meant we got there at a fairly reasonable time.
Friday night was nice and tame. 3 ofmy team did a little bit of prep looking at a few of the lists, but to be honest not really taking it too seriously.
Saturday morning.
Got to the venue nice and early.
round 1 draw saw us against the Giant's Mercinaries.
We'd looked at the lists for these guys the night before. Nothing too bad, so we were hoping for some good match ups.
I ended up playing their beastmen player who had a shard and 4 lv 1s, 2 on shadow, 2 on beasts. big block of gor, big block of bestigor. ton of chaff as is usualy in a beastman list.
Now it was open lists, and havng looked through a few the night before everyone seemed to have the ram horn 1+ rerollable on the general.
he set up the 2 blocks in the middle, shard behind, then chariots on 1 flank.
I put 1 unit of princes against his chariots, and basically everything in the middle to face off, right on the back line so that i could control the combats a bit.
As it played out everything came forwad.
1 unit of princes charged the flanking chariots, went through 1 in a round but then stuck on the second. had they got through quicker then I could have got into the mages standing around the heardstone a lot quicker.
i then charged the dragon lord, bsb, other unit of knights and seaguard into his bestigor.
the way it lined up the seaguard could clip so only 1 guy was attacking them, but they provided the ranks to break steadfast.
had to charge the DPs in, otherwise the seaguard would have had to maximise and so get more men in.
so I then challanged with the BSB, thinking if he accepts with his ram horn helm guy I should get 3 hits, 2 wounds and then he's saving on 4s, with a reroll. However he declined, sending his general to the back, racked up a ton of kills, but then he said his general had the stubborn crown... doh!
in the end ground out the bestigor and picked up all the rest of the chaff. but had to gove up a unit of dps and the seaguard and archers. mage cascaded and fell down a hole, making the dragon rather redundant. result was a 10-10. would have liked to have got more, but my fault for not prepairing.
my team however got a 20-0 and 2 19-1s. so we got the cap of 50 points. score!
Game 2 was vs Fists and Squids (aka team wales..and annie)
where round 1 had gone our way with match ups, this really didnt.
I would have been happy to play annie or loyn, but ended up going against matt yeo's ogres.
not ideal. ironblaster did it's thing and it ended up with no models left on the table for very little gain. 20-0 loss.
the rest of my team didn't fair too well either. Ed Hamon cascaded his slaan despite cupped balls, nick got run over by demigryphs, and james managed to get 14 off annie with his dwarfs.
so in round 2 we ended up having to take the sympathy points and getting 30.
Game 3 was against They Might Be Giants. Played a guy called tony with TK.
Now if i could ask to play 1 army all weekend it would be TK. they can be nasty against me but they're also nice and squishy and the flying means i can really use the movement. plus I dont have to worry about artillery as its all flaming.
And basically that was what I did. He had 2 units of 6 knights, 1 didn't fight a single combat. a warsphinx which did the same and a necro which died to mass archer fire.
charged the bsb over a unit into the casket and killed it in a turn, survived the explosion and started mopping up.
ended up with a 14-6 to me (basically because I failed a bucket load of 2+ wards vs his flaming chariots...idiot boy).
However unfortunately while the match ups went our way the luck didn't.
James, our dwarf player had a shocker vs skaven on the table next to me and ended up with a 15-5 loss. ed got 1 and nick got 5. so we needed sympathy points again, taking 30.
One thing I've forgotten to mention is the food. It was fantastic. booze was cheap too. So saturday night ended up with a lot of drinking.
Some may have heard the story but I dont really want to relive it, but i basically got acosted by a very drunk and very naked Jon Warmington.
Myself James and Nick were sharing a room and when we got kicked out of the Giant's Lair ended up taking a bottle of Jager back to the hotel and playing drinking settlers.... needless to say the sunday morning hangover was painful.
Sunday. Game 1.
so despite a rousing start we were now well and truely at the lower end of the table.
There was a lot of talk about the uncapped last round maybe shaking things up, but to be honest we ( and by this i mean me) were more concerned with the amount of shaking i was doing before the 1st game...
so the round was against Plymouth association wargamers. playing Kev Shilito.
Matchups went ok, but I had to play the O&G, as basically noone really wanted to play them exept James, and he said he wasn't likley to get 20, so would rather something else.
So my brief was not to loose 20-0. difficult when there's 2 doom divers, 2 bolt throwers and a stone thrower...
however he deployed all his war machines right out on the flanks and gave me the chance to run for the with knights and eagles.
Would have worked had I not completely fluffed. ended up putting the dragon into a block of trolls. thought being i should go through them eventually, and the vomit is a breath attack. turns out it isn't (there were quite a few rules things in this game. and i wasn't particularly happy that he had his book on a chair under the table and when ever I said 'can I check that' he said, well I've just read it and it says what ever. so I got shirty when he tried to flap back with a doom diver, would have missed with the flying base anyway, then I pointed out that in the book it says to use a goblin base and the base he was using for his doom diver wasn't. he was also being a complete cock towards ed on the next table with a rules discussion about a doomwheel flank charging a unit of skinks, but that's a story for another time.)
Ended up I took 2 points off him. the rest of the team did ok, pulling a small win of 38-42 (despite their results saying 43...)
Sunday Game 2
round vs Nerds of the round table. game vs matt with Brets.
1 treb, 4 lances and 5 peg knights.
looked at it and thought I can give him my core, and can take maybe 1 lance if i get everything lined up right, that plus any characters in it should be 11-9 one way or the other.
ran the eagles to redirect, jumped out of charge arc of a lance and took out the treb. then combo charged the dragon mage, bsb and lord in on his errant unit with the bsb.
unfortunately the dragon mage died to the silver mirror (he only made it past round 2 in 2 games...) but the dragon was still there. 2 rounds of combat to break the lance, then jumped about out of charge arcs.
around turn 5 his pegs had the chance to charge my seaguard who were right back in a corner. At this point i had to stop and say 'look, I'm really sorry about this, but I might have to be a very very gamey c##t in a minuet, but I first need to speak to my captain.'
went over to nick and asked how much does he need me to push it? he replied well I've just been 20-0ed (turns out he actually got 7)
so. fled form the charge with the seaguard, the ran off the table so the peg knights failed the charge.
my turn. dragon lord declaired a charge on the peg knights, plan was to break them and persue off the table.
as it turns out he failed hi terror test and fled.
I redirected into the lance that was positioned to take me out if I failed/stuck against the pegs. terror test, failed, ran them down too. so it ended up with me terror bombing off 400 odd points in the last turn.
result was a 14-6.
my team all managed to get slightly on top (with the exeption of nick) so ended up winning the round 55-25, which with the cap came back to 50-30.
So, last round. uncapped, so hoping for some good match ups.
we were still a way down the field, but coming back strong.
so we ended up playing team Oggy (nothing to do with OG...)
I got drawn against their ogre player. not the best and his list didn't look ideal for me either. poison sniper maneaters. ironblaster, mournfang, bulls and Ironguts.
As it was my dice were on fire. despite him having +1T off for basically the whole game I managed to plough the dragon through the gutstar, avoid the mournfang with the eagles. his IB shot my bsb turn 1. charmed shield. same turn 2, 1 wound. he eventually had to take the slaughtermaster in a challange so the dragon could hit ironguts, but was a worthy sacrifice.
I ended up loosing the archers, bsb and an eagle, for almost a complete tabling (didn't bother with the mournfangs). for a big 20-0.
the rest of my team did well too, breaking to 50-30 cap, and netting us 56 points. the only team to break the cap in the last round.
that shot us waaaay up the table (althougha 50 would still have got us 4th) to take out 3rd!
1st podium, 1st trophy and an awesome weekend all in.
Proved how match up dependant my list was. managed 60 points out of a possible 120. but with 2 of thise being match ups i really didnt fancy i thought that was quite good.
And If my dice were on fire all the time there'd be no stopping me!
1 thing I learnt was the mage dies sooooo quickly. having the noble with the radient gem would have been great, if nothing else to chuck dice at drain magic.
think it means he cant be the bsb, but will have to look.
As I said, fantastic food, some great stories and a great weekend away with a new bunch of very nice people.
If anyone has the chace to go to a giant's lair tounament I would highly recomend it, if nothing else for the cooking!
nice write up, sounds like a fun event, though disagree with the removal of cap in round 6 in general principles it didn't make much of a difference.
Good job khaleesi tonkin!
Congratulations!
I was in a team that came second with Annie too, so OG peeps and those related did well!
Right everyone.
A few quick updates.
Settling in to the delights of yorkshire.
Unfortunately for hobbies, I've been doing this thing called drinking...
Anyway, Warrington warlords was last weekend. I ended up coming off a stupidly long stretch of very late nights and ended up having to bail out early as was completely ruined.
On top of that I was having a massive rage about fantasy and my army. So all of this was leading me to be thinking about packing stuff up and having a bit of a rage quit.
But the up coming Norf/Saaf OG off has spurred some interest again.
Have decided that as much as i'd love to do an entire game of thrones set it might get a bit tricky... So i'm gonna do a warriors army.
Have started by grabbing a few bits and pieces that have been hiding in the bottom of a bits box...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/m1250426_99060201145_ColWHCromMain_873x627.jpg)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee403/noahtonkin/ArchaonFoot.jpg)
idea is to use these guys as characters. need to sort a bsb out as well at some point.
Have also grabbed a box of warriors and some sarissa bases.
Thought is to do a blue scheme like G's deamons. really like the brightness of the blue scheme.
need to think about bases but was thinking maybe to do a winter theme... using layers to make it look like a frozen lake. gonn ahve a think about this but will see.
So here we go. Have got a box of chaos warriors built up but am also painting up crom (as if he goes wrong I can always get another, archaon is a bit rarer...)
Here's a pic as I'm starting out...
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/02/my3e7uta.jpg)
Sprayed black and armour painted blue.
Don't ask which one, think its Caledor something.
Next step is going to be to paint the chainmail and ornament bits whitey/cream. Then need to have a play with a few bits and pieces.
Quick question if anyone is still reading this.
Do people think that the typhus model would work quite well in fantasy?
by my guess a few bits of chain mail to cover the joints and lop off the tubes and should be ok... I think.
Good plan dude, nice to see how the Warriors come out!
Typhus would be cool, nothing wrong with him as a Fantasy model.
Also WoC is a very good army to cure rage quit itis, was treated with it myself last year.
Nothing beats a bit of RAaaargh to solve all ills..
Keep it up buddy, wanna see how the warrior smurfs do, new supplement coming soon as well, so you will maybe have some new toys to get before the OG off... :cool3:
Hmm, supplement, not new book then. Interesting.
Guessing dragon ogres may be getting a redo. They're such a fantastic idea, but ancient and very dated models.
Right, next thing is going to be to see if typhus will fit on a 25mm base. If not he may have to be resigned to becoming a deamon prince... But if these new rumours I've been hearing are true I may need the odd deamon prince model now and again!
He's a bit of a beast. Here's archaon on foot next to another warrior...
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/04/zadugu7a.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/08/8a3ude7u.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/08/a3eqega7.jpg)
Archaon getting gradually more painted.
As nice as these new foundation paints are they're still a bit gloopy at times.
That looks suprisigly similar to gareaths deamons
May have taken some inspiration there... Shh!
That and The Smurfs, obviously.
figured I do alot of armies very dark, even my high elves were dark.
Saw how the blue and cream had come out on G's deamons and figured I'd give it a go. Plus I recon a warriors army has so few models I can take my time and hilight etc. And I had a crom and archaon on foot lying around, plus the sigvald model (which is currently in the post) is gorgeous!
Right chaps.
To take a quote from Lee's blog... zombie blog, ARISE!!!
With a new high elf book i might give it one last go at attempting to rekindle my hobby romance.
Unfortunately the saving of lives is taking precidence a little at the moment, but still I'll give it a go...
New High Elf book, so what am I going to do? that's right, more Rarr!
Having a quick peak through the new book I've come up with some ideas.
I'm still going to stick with the dragon theme, but with a few...modifications.
So It's going to be an all mounted list.
Reaver, silver helms, dragon princes.
plus 2 guys on dragons, a couple of sky cutters, maybe a phoenix (phoenix-dragon...) or 2 and a hero on eagle (minidragon)
So my idea is to mount all the horsey type people on cold ones, but without the front legs, maybe extend the necks and tails.
For the dragon princes I'm thinking of using the dragon prince heads, bodies and lances.
For the silver helms, silver helm/archer heads then cold one knight bodies and lances.
Still thinking about the reavers. Might use corsair bits...
As for the skycutter, was thinking of converting a cold one to fly with the dark peg wings.
Then to do the same for the guy on an eagle.
The question is then what to do with the dragons.
With the whole cold one theme I could use the carnosaur, could use the dragon kit (as I know it well :wink;m::) or maybe something else. The winged nazgul was always on the table.
So what's people's thought? will be ordering a few bits from My Ol soon, just need to get a list down 1st so I know what to buy!
Good to see you back sir - need more blogs on this forum! What happened to all your old Dragons by the way?
My High Elves are on the rise too, like a Phoenix themselves!
And I'm only going to say this once, but why not use the normal model to represent it - ie. a Sky Cutter to be a Sky Cutter? Just saying!
For the Skycutter, how about this chappie to pull it:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1140119
If you google "dragonmaster dragon" there's an image result that shows it in scale to a high elf warrior, looks about right to replace the birdy and is much more sinewy/agile looking than the Cold One.
Alternatively, Reaper do a really nice tiny dragonette - perhaps three painted in, oh I don't know, green..black...red? https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/dragon/sku-down/03487#detail/03487_w_1