Modern on a Budget

[fatolaf]

Superb article on Modern Decks on a budget, loads of good ideas here...

(the deck with 8 fetch lands is not my idea of a budget deck however)

[fatolaf]

What is the deal with Remand, explain it to me over other dispels...

Yes you get to draw a card, but they get the spell back...

[Steve H]

The fact that you get to replace it with a card is the big deal... There are some niche situations where you  can remand your own spell in a counterwar (usually remanding your own Snapcaster Mage back to your hand if the stack is not going well for you), but they don't seem to come up very often! 

[Steve H]

Also I guess it's the fact that it's any type of spell for 2 mana, when most other 2 mana dispels have conditions over spell type - Negate etc. Also, if you are snapcastering out of a graveyard you are straight gaining a card from it.

There are a ton of other good counters out there if playing on a budget (Remand is about a £5 each)... Mana leak, spell snare etc.

No real substitute for the Snapcaster though :(

[fatolaf]

No real substitute for the Snapcaster though :(

Who works so well together with remand, i have one mage so far, bargain price..

Remands are in the Jace vs Vraska deck, of which i have 6 , so thats not going to be a problem 

[Steve H]

Who works so well together with remand, i have one mage so far, bargain price..

Remands are in the Jace vs Vraska deck, of which i have 6 , so thats not going to be a problem 

Yeah, I've managed to track down 3 snapcasters - with a lot of shopping around you can get them for an ok price!

The duel deck defo helped the price of Remand! :D

[fatolaf]

what did you manage to get the mages for?

Currently they all seem to be around £25-£30 on Ebay

[Steve H]

All for around £20 each I think (plus one that was in that big bargain box of eBay stuff I bought)...

[fatolaf]

All for around £20 each I think (plus one that was in that big bargain box of eBay stuff I bought)...

That box was bargain of the century

[Guillaume]

the big deal with remand is that it counters anything, drawing a card makes it essential but that isnt the main reason its good.
modern is a tempo, resource and combo based format, and remand excels at all of these things.
example 1:  countering a 2 drop on turn 2 with remand is often as good as mana leaking it because a turn 2 bob or goyf isnt as good as a turn 3 bob or goyf, and a turn 3 vendilion clique or kitchen finks is much better than a turn 4 clique or finks, meaning that if you counter their on curve spell often they wont just play it a turn later as they have more mana efficient spells to play and if they do, its a huge loss of tempo which puts you ahead due to card advantage.
example 2: often a card is at its best in certain situations, i.e a counterspell. protecting your own spell with a remand often lets you resolve your spell unless your opponent can counter it twice which is unlikely in modern. similarly, if you are playing a combo deck ( generally twin as that is the most common deck that plays remand, countering their removal spell even for just a turn lets you win the game onthe spot so it doesnt matter wether its in their hand or not in the end.
example 3: playing against a combo deck like storm or scapeshift or elves where the combo is everything either buys you another turn and another draw for you to win the game yourself, or lets you counter their spell mid combo, which often sets them back several turns in the case of storm, (for instance, countering past in flames when they have no cards in hand often buys you 2 or 3 turns before you need to start worrying about the combo again, and you dont sacrifice any card advantage to do so.

thats why remand is one of the best counterspells in modern even though it doesnt actually counter their spell .

[Steve H]

Onslaught fetch lands being reprinted in Khans! That should help with modern on a budget!!!

Blue/Black
Red/Green
Red/Black
Green/White
Blue/White

At rare too... At least it's not the ones I spent millions of pounds on yet!

[jackhoneysett]

Sweeeeeeeet!! That's pretty huge.

I can soon become a fetch land idiot too! :)

[fatolaf]

They will be crazy prices for the first few weeks and then expect to pay £10 each from then on. Much better than the stupid prices the old ones go for ...

But when I say crazy I estimate £20-30 not what they are now.....

[BusiMagic]

I imagine based on hype a lot of khans will be opened which should drag down the prices. I assume they will reprint the zendikar ones in either mm2 or the third set. Also I suppose the last 3 set block could be 'return to zendikar'

[Guillaume]

they will probably be about £40 for the first release week and pre order and then drop to £20-25, i doubt they will be less because there is a very limited print for the onslaught ones and so people will be buying alot cos they are now modern legal, expect them to steadily fall over the next 2 years though and stabilise at £20, bearing in mind the zendikar fetches were apparently going for about £20 when they were in standard, and thats before people realised they were good even without brainstorm and top

[fatolaf]

They are Rares, not mythics, there will be so many floating about, that i doubt it will take 2 years for the price to fall below £20..

But they will be stupid money the first few weeks, if you pull them, sell them early...

[fatolaf]

I have decided not to post on this section of the forum due to one person not allowing any one to have an opinion . Only his thoughts are correct therefore there is no point in me posting anything from now on...